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Universal Audio Apollo interface
Old 20th February 2012
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The Achilles heel of PCIe has never been scheduling or latency. The weakness of PCIe has always been that it requires hardware to be on a card inside the machine. Thunderbolt is external PCIe.
Old 20th February 2012
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We're not talking about the same thing. If you're saying that the limitation is that you have to co-locate your audio equipment with your noisy computer fan, then sure, that can be a nuisance. However, you still only get 3 meters of separation with Thunderbolt. PCI performance has always been fine for audio, hence PT HD and RME interfaces. Firewire and USB performance are another matter altogether.
Old 20th February 2012
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So how are we not talking about the same thing? If the performance is the same as PCIe, how is it comparable to another protocol like USB or FireWire?
Old 20th February 2012
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P.S. 3m is not great but my mac pro isn't noisy. It also doesn't have thunderbolt, sigh. Mac mini / MacBook pro / air however, close to silent. Thunderbolt is a definite improvement on form factor vs. express card.
Old 20th February 2012
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It's easy. I was walking about Firewire and USB scheduling. You were talking about PCIe. You don't know if Thunderbolt is going to work better for audio, because you haven't tried it. It would be great if it were. It looks good on paper. But then again, so Firewire and USB look great on paper, too, but the reality is very different.
Old 20th February 2012
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Sure, BUT thunderbolt IS PCIe. So
If you're happy with the way PCIe performs, what's the issue?
Old 20th February 2012
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So you're taking issue with someone wanting to see it before they believe it, because you want to believe it before you've seen it?
Old 20th February 2012
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Absolutely not, if it's not PCIe and the specs lie... Not cool. Why would they lie? Nothing has ever been marketed as actually being PCIe before... Apart from expresscard, and... That is a few lanes of PCIe, not as many as thunderbolt. It performed as advertised.

If it's PCIe, it's PCIe. No? Everything I've read so far indicates it's so!

In any event, no thunderbolt on Apollo until Summer.

I too would like to see it in action, but you can't compare thunderbolt to FireWire or USB. They are protocols that connect to the PCI bus. Not PCI or PCIe themselves. They haven't even hit the latency / speed figures
of the PCI included in 486 machines (133MB/sec) - as the UAD1 was.
Old 21st February 2012
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UA ran into produ tion delays. New ETA for all Apollos is early/mid April!!! WTF???
Old 21st February 2012
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im gona go back and re read this thread while im waiting heh
Old 21st February 2012
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UA ran into produ tion delays. New ETA for all Apollos is early/mid April!!! WTF???
Nova Musik told me "The ETA is sometime this summer." when i asked about preordering. That may mean nothing if there are priority vendors getting initial shipments etc.
Old 21st February 2012
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i know we haven't had a chance to use the unit and no one has one but scientific answer only please ... functionality aside ..how do you think this will sound vs a bla sig. mod. 002
Old 21st February 2012
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i know we haven't had a chance to use the unit and no one has one but scientific answer only please ... functionality aside ..how do you think this will sound vs a bla sig. mod. 002
Eleventy % more betters.
Old 21st February 2012
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Eleventy % more betters.
science please kind sir!
Old 21st February 2012
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science please kind sir!
Oh you are serious? You are asking how we think a unit not in production will sound based on our scientific data? Science can't even determine a ship date at this point.

If you are asking me to speculate then i should hope a current production UA converter and preamp sounds better than a modded 10 year+ old product.
Old 21st February 2012
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Oh you are serious? You are asking how we think a unit not in production will sound based on our scientific data? Science can't even determine a ship date at this point.

If you are asking me to speculate then i should hope a current production UA converter and preamp sounds better than a modded 10 year+ old product.
yea sorry.. but i have an old g5, 002 and rosetta with tons of plugs that i like.. an old dead 002 that i was completely sold on sending in ..then i started to look at the ufx and then....well you know ...i mean really my mind is made up on the ollo with my macbook then ill get a mac pro ..but i just had to ask
Old 21st February 2012
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That could be the new awesome interface ! Looking forward to it.
Old 21st February 2012
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UA ran into produ tion delays. New ETA for all Apollos is early/mid April!!! WTF???
any source on this? I'm sort of waiting for some reviews before i take the plunge (got some other purchases on the table first too)
Old 21st February 2012
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" 4-710D + UAD dsp = Apollo. "

That's UA sales man told me.
Old 21st February 2012
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" 4-710D + UAD dsp = Apollo. "

That's UA sales man told me.
would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..
Old 21st February 2012
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would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..
According to UA, 410d converters, UAD processing. Plain jane solid state preamps (presuming it's the same as the SS pres in 410d, though that hasn't been confirmed by UA.) This has been repeated several times in this thread. There's another thread about the Apollo vs. 410d too.

Even if it doesn't sound exactly the same, it is the same in function as a 410d with UAD processing.
Old 21st February 2012
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would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..

Wouldn't be the 4-710d converters. Specs are waayyyyy off the Apollo. The preamps could be what you described, however ....
Old 21st February 2012
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Wouldn't be the 4-710d converters. Specs are waayyyyy off the Apollo. The preamps could be what you described, however ....
Interesting if the specs differ. UA staff at NAMM was clearly promoting the Apollo as having the same converters as 410d. I asked explicitly.
Old 21st February 2012
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Interesting if the specs differ. UA staff at NAMM was clearly promoting the Apollo as having the same converters as 410d. I asked explicitly.
Yes, they're much different. Both of the manuals are available on the UA website. Download them when you can and take a look at the AD/DA sections. Those specs come from the chip. Nothing to do with the analog chain before/after.

I think UA is simply telling people whatever it is that they want to hear at this point. UA has stated over and over that they do not disclose information about parts/manufacturers that make up the internals of their products. If UA stands behind the conversion in the 4-710d, they might tell you it sounds "as good", or "similar". However, I don't think you're going to get a chipset number of anyone at Universal Audio. Especially pre-release.
Old 21st February 2012
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This in conjunction with the 4710D for extra mic pres would be SUPER cool.. for a middle of the road guy like myself!
what "middle of the road guy" means?
Old 21st February 2012
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Yes, they're much different. Both of the manuals are available on the UA website. Download them when you can and take a look at the AD/DA sections. Those specs come from the chip. Nothing to do with the analog chain before/after.

I think UA is simply telling people whatever it is that they want to hear at this point. UA has stated over and over that they do not disclose information about parts/manufacturers that make up the internals of their products. If UA stands behind the conversion in the 4-710d, they might tell you it sounds "as good", or "similar". However, I don't think you're going to get a chipset number of anyone at Universal Audio. Especially pre-release.
and in your opinion , is this good or bad? i mean having 4710 aspects
Old 21st February 2012
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what "middle of the road guy" means?
I assume he means slightly higher end than a bedroom dabbler, but not a professional.
Old 21st February 2012
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if this thing sounds better than the ensemble ,i am in ......you know ensemble is 10 years old tech and sound fantastic .....having in mind this; and taking in consideration that we are talking UA here,,,,,this thing with an API 3124 should rock pretty hard....

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Old 21st February 2012
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if anybody can't make a good record with this ..... i don't know
Old 21st February 2012
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would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..
Yes, exactly.
Apollo's AD/DA quality(&character) is as good(or bad?) as 4-710D.
I don't know how good 4-710D's AD/DA is.
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