The unit sounds great cannot wait to hear more.
I have no interest in the preamps it comes, I have my own and I am happy, also recording with plugs?
Hell I hate to mix with them so I know recording with plugs is out of the question.
Being on a G5 with an HD3 I was pretty excited about the Apollo being an alternative to HD Native or HDX.
Apollo Quad with thunderbolt =$3000.00
Extra UAD plugs 1000.00
Pro Tools 10 w/CPTK 2700.00
Trade in HD 3 FOR HDX W8x8io =$6999.00
Add Mac Pro = $3000.00
total = $10,000.00
I think you may wanna add in the price of a new thunderbolt equipped Mac for first option with apollo quad if you want to use thunderbolt and if you want PT 10 w/ cptk to run properly and be eligible for support.
We're not talking about the same thing. If you're saying that the limitation is that you have to co-locate your audio equipment with your noisy computer fan, then sure, that can be a nuisance. However, you still only get 3 meters of separation with Thunderbolt. PCI performance has always been fine for audio, hence PT HD and RME interfaces. Firewire and USB performance are another matter altogether.
P.S. 3m is not great but my mac pro isn't noisy. It also doesn't have thunderbolt, sigh. Mac mini / MacBook pro / air however, close to silent. Thunderbolt is a definite improvement on form factor vs. express card.
It's easy. I was walking about Firewire and USB scheduling. You were talking about PCIe. You don't know if Thunderbolt is going to work better for audio, because you haven't tried it. It would be great if it were. It looks good on paper. But then again, so Firewire and USB look great on paper, too, but the reality is very different.
Absolutely not, if it's not PCIe and the specs lie... Not cool. Why would they lie? Nothing has ever been marketed as actually being PCIe before... Apart from expresscard, and... That is a few lanes of PCIe, not as many as thunderbolt. It performed as advertised.
If it's PCIe, it's PCIe. No? Everything I've read so far indicates it's so!
In any event, no thunderbolt on Apollo until Summer.
I too would like to see it in action, but you can't compare thunderbolt to FireWire or USB. They are protocols that connect to the PCI bus. Not PCI or PCIe themselves. They haven't even hit the latency / speed figures
of the PCI included in 486 machines (133MB/sec) - as the UAD1 was.
Oh you are serious? You are asking how we think a unit not in production will sound based on our scientific data? Science can't even determine a ship date at this point.
If you are asking me to speculate then i should hope a current production UA converter and preamp sounds better than a modded 10 year+ old product.
yea sorry.. but i have an old g5, 002 and rosetta with tons of plugs that i like.. an old dead 002 that i was completely sold on sending in ..then i started to look at the ufx and then....well you know ...i mean really my mind is made up on the ollo with my macbook then ill get a mac pro ..but i just had to ask
would the apollo preamps possibly be the 710 twin without the additional tube circuit? then the 4710d converters and uad2..
According to UA, 410d converters, UAD processing. Plain jane solid state preamps (presuming it's the same as the SS pres in 410d, though that hasn't been confirmed by UA.) This has been repeated several times in this thread. There's another thread about the Apollo vs. 410d too.
Even if it doesn't sound exactly the same, it is the same in function as a 410d with UAD processing.
Interesting if the specs differ. UA staff at NAMM was clearly promoting the Apollo as having the same converters as 410d. I asked explicitly.
Yes, they're much different. Both of the manuals are available on the UA website. Download them when you can and take a look at the AD/DA sections. Those specs come from the chip. Nothing to do with the analog chain before/after.
I think UA is simply telling people whatever it is that they want to hear at this point. UA has stated over and over that they do not disclose information about parts/manufacturers that make up the internals of their products. If UA stands behind the conversion in the 4-710d, they might tell you it sounds "as good", or "similar". However, I don't think you're going to get a chipset number of anyone at Universal Audio. Especially pre-release.