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Old 18th July 2020
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I am also getting the Cory Wong but because I need to get 2 for the discount I can't decide between the Nolly and the Plini. I was going to go for the Nolly but then people are saying about the bugs and when I did ask Neural they said they are working on fixes so we'll see. But it seems great if not for the small bugs which need to be ironed out. The Plini is amazing as well.
I am looking forward to the reviews of their quad cortex this autumn. It's looks very small and has touch screen etc so I just hope that it is going to be sturdy and reliable. I will wait for some reviews before committing to an investment like that though.
I have a bug in abasi but didn t noticed anything in nolly ... they confirmed it will be adressed in the next update , that bug is linked to actual module states not reconised , i suspect if it ps solved it will surely solve the nolly recall thing ..

You re right about tonality , i prefered it other tonehub because you can easily lose yourself in ... be sure to try lybra , it s siperb for ir job ...and you can export the ir you created , on sale at 29 ... might be over ...

Plini is a solid pick and i could keep this one alone .... and it would be enougth ...so if you re afraid about nollyb, plini is great ...darkglass is exellent also for bass ...

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Old 18th July 2020
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Litteraly grabbed this for the pedals .... amps a re cool but this + andy james vox ac30 is a stupid combo ...
I continue to be on the hunt for a great AC30. I'll check out the Andy James option. I don't play metal, but the other two amps seem to be tuned for that genre, so I'm wondering if I'd find it to be $120 well-spent just for the AC30.
Old 18th July 2020
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I am also looking at getting more of the Kuassa stuff as I really like using their Amplifikation 360 plugin. I agree with Elambo that their effects are awesome and their new suite makes creating rigs great fun.
Give their amps an honest go. You can demo them with the 360 software. They have something most others don't and I think I ended up buying all but one (the metal amp). There's realism in the subtleties. The sound of the chime when an amp progresses from clean into breakup. Upper harmonics. Those sounds are what I expect to hear in those amps and surprisingly many amp sims just don't do it properly. Hard to put into words, but they feel very organic and alive.
Old 18th July 2020
  #124
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I continue to be on the hunt for a great AC30. I'll check out the Andy James option. I don't play metal, but the other two amps seem to be tuned for that genre, so I'm wondering if I'd find it to be $120 well-spent just for the AC30.
We have 3 serious options imho : softube , ik brian may and andy james ...if i had to keep one its the the andy james , respond to dynamic better , cab impulses is on point and balanced and the eq respond to gain as the original imho ...

Cpu hit is higher than others tonality , notice that brian may is 50% off nowdayz.
Old 18th July 2020
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Give their amps an honest go. You can demo them with the 360 software. They have something most others don't and I think I ended up buying all but one (the metal amp). There's realism in the subtleties. The sound of the chime when an amp progresses from clean into breakup. Upper harmonics. Those sounds are what I expect to hear in those amps and surprisingly many amp sims just don't do it properly. Hard to put into words, but they feel very organic and alive.
Interesting... I know what you mean, and I am by no means an experienced electric guitarist or tube amp specialist. imho lots of amp sims are quite good with crunchy and distorted sounds, but clean sounds on the edge of breakup are often lacking that “zing”or “chime“ (as you called it) in the attack phase.
I just demoed Plini, together with the Cory Wong, and while I initially thought that the Wong would be more for me (prefer clean sounds most of the time, not interested in prog or metal), I now tend towards the Plini, the clean sound is really good , bright and clear , as is the rhythm amp (don’t care much about the hi gain).
I’ll check out Kuassa , which one would be the choice for the cleaner/slightly crunchy sounds?
Old 19th July 2020
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We have 3 serious options imho : softube , ik brian may and andy james ...if i had to keep one its the the andy james , respond to dynamic better , cab impulses is on point and balanced and the eq respond to gain as the original imho ...

Cpu hit is higher than others tonality , notice that brian may is 50% off nowdayz.
I am going to quickly demo IK BM as it's 50% off and I have quite a lot of Jam points that I haven't used. I am also going to demo their new delay as well.

Thanks for your advice on the Plini and the Nolly.
Old 19th July 2020
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Give their amps an honest go. You can demo them with the 360 software. They have something most others don't and I think I ended up buying all but one (the metal amp). There's realism in the subtleties. The sound of the chime when an amp progresses from clean into breakup. Upper harmonics. Those sounds are what I expect to hear in those amps and surprisingly many amp sims just don't do it properly. Hard to put into words, but they feel very organic and alive.
Yeah I am trying them all out in A360 and I think I might end up just getting them all as they are some of the best amp sims and guitar fx plugins I have heard and the rigs in their presets even sound great from the get go. Nothing to criticise even the ability to set up rigs and use a pedal with midi to switch on the fly. Awesome stuff.

I really liked Scuffham S-Gear as well but it is more limited what you can do for rigs within the plugin and you have to use it in a DAW as opposed to stand alone in my opinion but for what it offers in its price bracket it also is a great plugin.
Old 19th July 2020
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I really liked Scuffham S-Gear as well but it is more limited what you can do for rigs within the plugin and you have to use it in a DAW as opposed to stand alone in my opinion but for what it offers in its price bracket it also is a great plugin.
FWIW, Scuffham S-Gear includes a standalone app.
Old 19th July 2020
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FWIW, Scuffham S-Gear includes a standalone app.
Yeah I know sorry (didn't make myself clear) - I just meant that there are only 4 modules after the selection of 5 amps - Cab/IR loader, Delay, Reverb and the Modulation module with chorus or flanger.

I just meant that if you want bigger rig set-ups you have to use it in your DAW as the standalone can be a little limited for the more complex rigs. Awesome for $129 though and is definitely on my to get list.
Old 19th July 2020
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Yeah I know sorry (didn't make myself clear) - I just meant that there are only 4 modules after the selection of 5 amps - Cab/IR loader, Delay, Reverb and the Modulation module with chorus or flanger.

I just meant that if you want bigger rig set-ups you have to use it in your DAW as the standalone can be a little limited for the more complex rigs. Awesome for $129 though and is definitely on my to get list.
I personally don’t think that “more is better”, but I agree that the selection of effects in SGear is somewhat lacking, especially as there are no “pedals” to go before the amps, like overdrive, distortion and compressors. My guess is that the next major version will address that, whenever that comes.
The rack FX in S-Gear are ok, but somewhat uninspiring. Maybe also because of the bland optical representation as rack devices. Guitar players like the pedals, right?

Regarding Neural DSP, this is the first time I tested them, and I have to say, the interface design is excellent, they have their own consistent design language and and overall usability is great. Someone did put a lot of thought in that. My only gripe is that switching between the different views can feel a bit sluggish and slow (on my system that is).
I’m pretty sure I’ll buy the Plini the next sale...
Old 19th July 2020
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IK Multimedia Brain May does the AC30. Did anyone get a Roland JC-120 out of Cory Wong?
Old 19th July 2020
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Thanks. I'll send them an E-Mail as well then and see if they reply. I think it could be this coronavirus which has caused a delay. The newer plugins might have all ready been in the works when the virus hit.

I'll post here what they say.
Did they reply to your email?
Old 19th July 2020
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I'm really digging the hi-gain tones I'm getting with this plugin.
Old 19th July 2020
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Did they reply to your email?
Yeah I put a remark about it in this thread in post #120 .

They basically said that they are working on it and should have bug fixes coming up soon. That is why I am thinking of waiting to get Nolly until next sale and just get Plini and this one - Cory Wong for now.

At low latencies the CPU usage is high when oversampling with stereo effects and the bugs you mentioned I am willing to overlook for the moment given the all round quality of the plugins but I am aware that I might also be disappointed if the bug fixes don't arrive as promised in the near future. We'll just have to wait and see. If they don't fix the bugs in their plugins they won't get the faith of the purchasers to get their new quad cortex...

Thanks for your help and I hope they resolve it soon.
Old 20th July 2020
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Yeah I put a remark about it in this thread in post #120 .

They basically said that they are working on it and should have bug fixes coming up soon. That is why I am thinking of waiting to get Nolly until next sale and just get Plini and this one - Cory Wong for now.

At low latencies the CPU usage is high when oversampling with stereo effects and the bugs you mentioned I am willing to overlook for the moment given the all round quality of the plugins but I am aware that I might also be disappointed if the bug fixes don't arrive as promised in the near future. We'll just have to wait and see. If they don't fix the bugs in their plugins they won't get the faith of the purchasers to get their new quad cortex...

Thanks for your help and I hope they resolve it soon.
Hahaha... In near future... this mean in a year?) ok, will see, will see. Thank you for the information
Old 29th July 2020
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maybe. but for sure, the GUI of Neural puts AT 4 to shame.
One of my biggest peeves with AT4 is the absurd way that they have done their signal routing.

Not only do they not have a true stereo mode/toggle, but if you try to manually go to a preset slot and change it to Stereo IN, for some ridiculous reason the 2nd (R) channel will have the most random, absurd setups on it for apparently no reason whatsoever to the point the resulting sound is borderline(?) offensive.

And it's like this on every single one of the billions of presets they have

What's worse, if you want to try any of the sounds in stereo, the only feature is to "copy settings" from one piece of gear to another, which involves loading a SECOND instance of every single piece of gear in the chain on the 2nd channel below, and takes forever. Yet apparently they can release countless new collections over the years without fixing this basic functionality. Quite troll-tastic!

So you're basically forced to run 2 AT4 in parallel if you wanna do stereo. Not unheard of, but the fact that they have the routing capabilities in place and chose instead to make it as confusing and non-functional as possible just rubs me the wrong way

Don't get me wrong, I love their fender and especially their Ampeg 2 collection is the best Bass ampsim on the market IMO, and I don't even mind their UI so much TBH, I quite like the visuals, but this fundamental failure to handle signal routing properly is singularly obnoxious.

Also +1 for this plugin. Just demo'd it on a project with tons of guitars I am working on currently and it does clean AND breakup, and crunch-tones in a very convincing way, better than AT, better than any sim on the market right now and I've tried them all more or less. The cleans in this amp are even better than Plini IMO, and I'm about to buy several of them at once. (I just demo'd all the Neural stuff over the course of 3 days)
Old 29th July 2020
  #137
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Wrote this in an another Neural DSP Cory Wong thread.
The cleans with the Ownhammer IR's (especially Bogner IR's IMHO) are stellar.

The breakup when using the tube screamer and overdrive pedals is very realistic and convincing, dosing just a little bit with the pedals gets you an awesome dirty clean strat tone.

But where it truly shines is when it's used with Ownhammer IR's.

Paired with a tube pre, this thing sounds gorgeous, probably the best amp sim plugin I've used.

I'm looking to pick up the Fortin Cali for the heavier stuff.
Old 7th August 2020
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Nolly 2.0 just dropped
Old 7th August 2020
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Nolly 2.0 just dropped
... finally silencing the naysayers who couldnt leave threads untainted by their need to assert Neural DSP as a money grabbing uncaring company, Nolly was always referenced as the proof they didnt care... now we can all move on to bigger and better things. Amen.
Old 7th August 2020
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now we can all move on to bigger and better things. Amen.
Yeah! So how about it, Neural... where is Nolly 2.1 ?????
Old 7th August 2020
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Yeah! So how about it, Neural... where is Nolly 2.1 ?????
Must be too busy counting their money.
Old 7th August 2020
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Must be too busy counting their money.
I want a Quad Cortex all ready lol. I was thinking of getting either an AxeFXIII, a Kemper or a Helix Floor but decided to wait for the Cortex reviews first.
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