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Old 30th June 2020
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Could you name a software EQ which has hardware abilities?

Plugin Alliance has a big sale right now. What is with the other Amek EQ, the bx_2098, modeled after the Amek 2098, or the Passeq? or the NSEQ-2. Is one of them worth the 49 bucks?
Hey buddy,

so, let me offer you a great advice on a plugin EQ that is closest to hardware if that's what you're after. Go to maat.digital and pick for starters their cheapest EQ, SantaCruz. You WILL NOT regret it! It is amazing. SantaCruz has 3 older, bigger brothers - Orange, Blue and Red.

And while you're asking question about AMEK 1098 or PassEQ. Go to PA web site. It's a power sale that lasts two more days. Both of those EQs are good. Each in it's own applications. PassEQ is more like "Pultec" because of it's freq. points and behaviour. It is NOT a Pultec per se but close to simply explain it. 2098 has a different flavor and since you can get them cheap at the moment, why not have them in your arsenal?!

But let me go back to MAAT and their EQs. Ghose EQs are top-tier quality plugins. Almost like a real deal analogue counterparts. My SantaCruz is amazing. You MUST try them out. The team behind MAAT Digital is fantastic so I am pretty sure you will be covered on all sides with MAAT's digital audio plugins. And while you're there pick up probably the best metering plugin, a DR Meter MK2. Worth every cent.

Krešo
Old 30th June 2020
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cool a maat advertising influencer? post...

Maat offers great eqs... but they are designed to be digital Eqs... So no analog modeling or something like that...
This 3 Eqs are nothing more than the Algorithmix Eqs, brought into the modern DAW World...
They are really great...especially theOrange...the perferct linear phase EQ...but now with the Weiss EQ1, there is good competition...
The thing with theBlue is... It is designed to copy curves of analog Eqs, but there is no analog modeling, which means no emulation of the analog components...but this important if you want to emulate an analog EQ like massive passive or curve bender and so on... theBlue or SantaCruz is a very transparent sounding eq with the curves of analog eqs... And it sounds amazing, but you cannot compare with other plugins, which try to emulate a hardware unit from the imput to the output stage...
Maat is great... theRed has to much latency... i think theBlue is the perfect track EQ... I love it...
Old 1st July 2020
  #723
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Got recommend this on YT. Worth a post to remember that the differences between EQs without saturation etc can be subtle.

https://youtu.be/tm04DMexFDk
Old 1st July 2020
  #724
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And it sounds amazing, but you cannot compare with other plugins, which try to emulate a hardware unit from the imput to the output stage..
Why not? I know a talented engineer who uses Blue's Proportional 1 right besides his real 1081s and in a full mix there isn't much missing between them. And if you are missing the tone, then this is where nebula's & acqua's shine - for the boxtone more so than the curves IMO.

The problem I find with emulator plugins that try to match 1) the curves, 2) the phase and 3) the tone of analog hardware is that they rarely do all three well, so you might as well get your tone elsewhere and find a plugin like Blue that beautifully nails the phase and curves. My 2cents at least.
Old 1st July 2020
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Why not? I know a talented engineer who uses Blue's Proportional 1 right besides his real 1081s and in a full mix there isn't much missing between them. And if you are missing the tone, then IMO this is where nebula's & acqua's really shine - for the boxtone more so than the curves.

The problem I find with emulator plugins that try to match 1) the curves, 2) the phase and 3) the tone of analog hardware is that they rarely do all three well, so you might as well get your tone elsewhere and find a plugin like Blue that beautifully nails the phase and curves. My 2cents at least.
It's not a bad idea indeed, good point !
Old 1st July 2020
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cool a maat advertising influencer? post...

Maat offers great eqs... but they are designed to be digital Eqs... So no analog modeling or something like that...
Yeah! I simply LOVE all MAATs tools! Thou I am NOT on their payroll, not their advertising influencer, not being paid for. And I am paying all my plugins I have.

Just to get back to you on this "no analog modeling". Yes, I know. I just said to @ nic htuntun that these plugins are sooooo close to expensive and quality hardware and I stand by that all the way. There is also GMWorks but since I don't run those plugins I couldn't say anything about them. Only thing I can say is what I hear from others. UI is silly small and would really benefit from re-work. As far as sound goes I only hear superlatives.

So, there's also huge sale on Sonnox Oxford plugins and they have a few gems worth having in each of our own arsenals. They have both EQ and DynEQ which is what @ nic htuntun is really interested in! ;-)

Stay safe all!
Old 2nd July 2020
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Hey buddy,

so, let me offer you a great advice on a plugin EQ that is closest to hardware if that's what you're after. Go to maat.digital and pick for starters their cheapest EQ, SantaCruz. You WILL NOT regret it! It is amazing. SantaCruz has 3 older, bigger brothers - Orange, Blue and Red.

And while you're asking question about AMEK 1098 or PassEQ. Go to PA web site. It's a power sale that lasts two more days. Both of those EQs are good. Each in it's own applications. PassEQ is more like "Pultec" because of it's freq. points and behaviour. It is NOT a Pultec per se but close to simply explain it. 2098 has a different flavor and since you can get them cheap at the moment, why not have them in your arsenal?!

But let me go back to MAAT and their EQs. Ghose EQs are top-tier quality plugins. Almost like a real deal analogue counterparts. My SantaCruz is amazing. You MUST try them out. The team behind MAAT Digital is fantastic so I am pretty sure you will be covered on all sides with MAAT's digital audio plugins. And while you're there pick up probably the best metering plugin, a DR Meter MK2. Worth every cent.

Krešo
Thanks. I appreciate your help. But having already Q3, Equilibrium and CraveEQ, and disliking MAATs strategic philosophy, I think I'll pass on their products.
Old 2nd July 2020
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Thanks. I appreciate your help. But having already Q3, Equilibrium and CraveEQ, and disliking MAATs strategic philosophy, I think I'll pass on their products.
you can also get lkjb's free QRange and theOrange (trial) and see how they behave on similar settings when you set them to phase cancel each other in addition one of them cramps
Old 2nd July 2020
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you can also get lkjb's free QRange and theOrange (trial) and see how they behave on similar settings when you set them to phase cancel each other in addition one of them cramps
Do they?
Old 3rd July 2020
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Plugins are literally 1% of my sound so i cant imagine wading thru new product alert looking for the new best plugin on the market . Ive had plenty of mixes using Waves selected over other submissions from mix engineers who were using the latest, greatest, on the cutting edge plugins. If im looking to up my game, spending 400-500$ on a plugin will rarely do anything noticeable for the listener.
Old 3rd July 2020
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If im looking to up my game, spending 400-500$ on a plugin will rarely do anything noticeable for the listener.
Yes its the ninja not the sword, but as your skills grow the more you're able to appreciate what a better sword can do. Dont hold yourself back by sticking the same sword you used back when you started. Try MAAT Blue. Thank me later.
Old 3rd July 2020
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Yes its the ninja not the sword, but as your skills grow the more you're able to appreciate what a better sword can do. Dont hold yourself back by sticking the same sword you used back when you started. Try MAAT Blue. Thank me later.
Im sure it IS great brother. Dont doubt it a bit, but of all the things you can do to improve your mixes, "upgrading" software is going to add the least value.

Literally EVERYTHING else will make more difference....and of course all things are relative, so an example in terms of relativity, upgrading from a cheap guitar amp to a top of the line guitar amp has the potential to impact your sound greatly, upgrading from Neumans cheapest mic to their best mic has the potential to impact your sound greatly, cheap cymbals to high end cymbals, massive advancement...freeware EQ to the "best" on the market? VERY small improvement, and who uses freeware?

This is just something to keep in mind (especially for me) for those who feel like the grass is greener. Esp when you start talking a 4-$500 price tag.
Old 3rd July 2020
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Literally EVERYTHING else will make more difference....
Than upgrading an EQ? I think this is relative to the individual and what they are trying to improve upon. We all have different priorities.
Old 3rd July 2020
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you can also get lkjb's free QRange and theOrange (trial) and see how they behave on similar settings when you set them to phase cancel each other in addition one of them cramps
It´s always the same when it comes to hi-end expensive stuff, hardware or software.
Some people will argue why it´s not worth the price, others just use it.

The great thing is: if you don´t need it, you just don´t need it .
Old 3rd July 2020
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Back to Amek. It’s a wonderful EQ. Really wonderful. Very unobtrusive unlike so many other modeled eqs. I guess sort of like a GML or Sontec!!
Old 4 weeks ago
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This a very "transparent" sounding eq, a great chose for the master buss. or submixes. You could potential use it for correcting certain problems with an audio file, as long as you dont need a really narrow Q, is this thing wont go over 4.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #737
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This a very "transparent" sounding eq, a great chose for the master buss. or submixes. You could potential use it for correcting certain problems with an audio file, as long as you dont need a really narrow Q, is this thing wont go over 4.
So pretty much 299$ for something any stock channel EQ does?
Old 4 weeks ago
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So pretty much 299$ for something any stock channel EQ does?
Nah, pick it up on sale for much cheaper. But really, no stock eq sounds like this in my opinion. Everyone is gioing to have their own sets of priorities concerning a plugin's function, it's sonics and its price point.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Nah, pick it up on sale for much cheaper. But really, no stock eq sounds like this in my opinion. Everyone is gioing to have their own sets of priorities concerning a plugin's function, it's sonics and its price point.
i've tested enough plugins and dabbled enough with filters in MatLab/Max not to be too easily impressed

i've yet to find a digital EQ that would sound substantially different than another (sans curves!) without having some saturation going on.
Obviously, workflow and feature set is extremely important.

Or analog for that matter. Putting Elyisa museQ against PA museQ (and even against some Voxengo cheap-ass EQ) proved to be a very enlightening experience.
in the sense of me not caring about hardware EQs anymore
Old 4 weeks ago
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i've tested enough plugins and dabbled enough with filters in MatLab/Max not to be too easily impressed

i've yet to find a digital EQ that would sound substantially different than another (sans curves!) without having some saturation going on.
Obviously, workflow and feature set is extremely important.

Or analog for that matter. Putting Elyisa museQ against PA museQ (and even against some Voxengo cheap-ass EQ) proved to be a very enlightening experience.
in the sense of me not caring about hardware EQs anymore
But that's the point. An analogue eq is the sum of its parts. Each design is different, each part is different, so the tend to accumulate their own distinctive tone. This ultimately ultimately affects their filter "curves" or ""shapes" and it is imparted in the saturation and noise they pass.

That IS what makes them different. By discounting that you miss the whole point.
Old 4 weeks ago
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But that's the point. An analogue eq is the sum of its parts. Each design is different, each part is different, so the tend to accumulate their own distinctive tone. This ultimately ultimately affects their filter "curves" or ""shapes" and it is imparted in the saturation and noise they pass.

That IS what makes them different. By discounting that you miss the whole point.
yeah but the most expensive analog EQ's are the cleanest.
So you need to get cheap ones for character instead - as with most hardware

Also the 2nd part is how well this is emulated, and most EQs are just EQ's with some soft saturation slapped over. Amek's xover distortion being one of those (but worse)
Old 4 weeks ago
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Or analog for that matter. Putting Elyisa museQ against PA museQ (and even against some Voxengo cheap-ass EQ) proved to be a very enlightening experience.
in the sense of me not caring about hardware EQs anymore
So you shot them out and the plugin was that close to the hardware?

Ive done similar shootouts (Sontec vs Scarlett, Soma vs Azure or Black Box HG2 vs PA HG2) and while the plugins are very good sounding and I use them at times, the hardware is more forgiving which means it can be pushed harder and has a greater range of 'good' if that makes sense.

I know Elysia EQs are very fast and clean so perhaps this is a situation where the plugin gets closer than usual, but near even?
Old 4 weeks ago
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So you shot them out and the plugin was that close to the hardware?

Ive done similar shootouts (Sontec vs Scarlett, Soma vs Azure or Black Box HG2 vs PA HG2) and while the plugins are very good sounding and I use them at times, the hardware is more forgiving which means it can be pushed harder and has a greater range of 'good' if that makes sense.

I know Elysia EQs are very fast and clean so perhaps this is a situation where the plugin gets closer than usual, but near even?
Near even. I can search for files, it was a drum loop pushed 15dB at 10kHz since supposedly high end is where analog shines
Old 4 weeks ago
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I know it doesn’t get a lot of love around here but I really like the Pensado EQ by Acustica Audio.
I have it. It doesn't have those silky airy highs like my AirEQ but it's got plenty of midrange punch for modern hip hop and electronic music which I think was it's main focus.
Old 4 weeks ago
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yeah but the most expensive analog EQ's are the cleanest.
So you need to get cheap ones for character instead - as with most hardware

Also the 2nd part is how well this is emulated, and most EQs are just EQ's with some soft saturation slapped over. Amek's xover distortion being one of those (but worse)
Have you tried Balance Magpha?
Old 4 weeks ago
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Have you tried Balance Magpha?

no not yet, thanks for heads-up, will do a demo
Old 4 weeks ago
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Who actually bougth this thing ?
Old 4 weeks ago
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Who actually bougth this thing ?
Can't imagen that so bought it, for that price.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Good EQ that is Amek. Price Yoda lowered thou should!
Old 4 weeks ago
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I will demo it after Green4 is released
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