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Old 14th November 2019
  #91
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Hi SteDal,

Thanks for your fast reply! I’m sorry if I was not clear about the installation procedure I followed. I did not install Mantis2 manually like my other N4 libraries – which are indeed all installed as in the old days with Nebula 3. I installed Mantis2 automatically with Aquarius as you suggest and I did give Aquarius the correct path of my n4temprepository. Just to make sure that what I did was correct I just installed the Titaniumbasstard as N4 library using exact the same settings as I used in Aquarius for the Mantis2 installation. Titaniumbasstard installed correct and Cubase did not blacklist its dll’s in my Aquaplugins folder.

The bug which makes N4 Aqua’s loose their settings on re-opening a project is indeed also there with Titaniumbasstard! Could you explain the difference between this format and the N4 format. Is there any benefit in using the one or the other? If there’s not I could get rid of the setting bug by installing the vst2 version and uninstall the N4 version.

Thanks for looking into this minor problem (Mantis2 does work, and very well too!) even if it is not saving its settings and getting blacklisted by Cubase – which is rather baffling…

All the best,
Roeland
Roeland, please let me understand a thing: what do you mean by "N4/VST2 version"?

I'm asking you because AFAIK the so-called N4-x64 installation is the 'normal' way to install an Acqua library, which you can find in the regular N4 program browser under the 'Acqua Library or Effect' tab.
This kind of file format doesn't need to be scanned and enabled by Cubase or any other DAW. It's an entry within the N4 browser.
Then you may install the same library as 'N4 VST2 (or3)-x64'. This is a regular VST format and as such it's scanned and listed in your DAW as a separate entry in the VST plug-in window.

So I need to get this thing right first, before attempting a solution...

And re: the lost setting at reload time, as I wrote you yesterday, just try to rollback N4 version to N000 (Aquarius, Update tab). It should solve the problem.
Old 14th November 2019
  #92
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Originally Posted by SteDal View Post
Roeland, please let me understand a thing: what do you mean by "N4/VST2 version"?

I'm asking you because AFAIK the so-called N4-x64 installation is the 'normal' way to install an Acqua library, which you can find in the regular N4 program browser under the 'Acqua Library or Effect' tab.
This kind of file format doesn't need to be scanned and enabled by Cubase or any other DAW. It's an entry within the N4 browser.
Then you may install the same library as 'N4 VST2 (or3)-x64'. This is a regular VST format and as such it's scanned and listed in your DAW as a separate entry in the VST plug-in window.

So I need to get this thing right first, before attempting a solution...

And re: the lost setting at reload time, as I wrote you yesterday, just try to rollback N4 version to N000 (Aquarius, Update tab). It should solve the problem.
Hi SteDal,

By the N4 version I mean the N4-x64 installation which you explain is the ‘normal’ way to Install an Aqua library. In my case the DLL’s from the N4 installation do get scanned by Cubase. I have figured out that this is the result of my choice to install the n4temprepository on a different drive then my operating system.

I do this for 2 reasons. 1) All the samples of my ‘old style’ N4 libraries (TimP, Cupwise etc.) my Aqua’s and your Mantis library, take op 50 Gb of disk space, which put unnecessary strain and take up unnecessary space on the SSD with my operating system. And 2) I understand that is still good practice to run your samples from a different drive then your operating system which has Cubase. All major companies producing VST instruments with samples (Spitfire, NI and VSL, East West etc, etc. advise this). As all Aqua’s or N4 libraries are built from samples, which have to be loaded every time you use a plug-in or adjust a setting, I gathered that it would be wise to put them on a disk exclusively dedicated to samples.

In Cubase it is no problem using a different drive then the operating system for samples. You can tell Cubase to scan any drive you wish for VST2 instruments and or FX plugins in the preferences of the VST plug-in Manager. So in these preferences I have included the N4temprository on my F drive as a location to scan for VST2 plug-ins.

So all the XLM’s in the n4temprepository on my F drive are scanned by Cubase – as of course they also would if I installed my temprepository on my C drive. I have Azure2, Magenta, Titaniumbasstard, your great new Scarlet4, and your great older Water2 (Wow what a compressor!), the Caribou compressor by Prime Studio and the older Violet compressor from Acustica. Not one off their XLM’s is blacklisted by Cubase – your Water and Scarlet libraries also don’t give any trouble.

Only the Mantis XLM’s are blacklisted, also if I install the VSTt2 version (the separate VST plug-in). As stated earlier, this is strange, but no problem as at all because although Cubase blacklists the XLM’s the plug-in is loaded as it should. I only discovered that when looking under the hood by clicking the edit button on N4, In a 96 K project, Mantis loads 44K samples. (Sorry for this new problem).

PS. I understood that the loss of the settings of the N4 libraries is a bug that needs to be addressed in a future update of N4 and that at the meantime rolling back tot the N000 version is the temporary solution.

Sorry for this long post…

All the best!
Roeland
Old 19th November 2019
  #93
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This is a great compressor when you want to play with the size of an instrument/vocal without loosing the low end depth. It seems that if you push this harder the low end bloom is retained and not lost like with some other compressors.

I have used it with quite a heavy compression and it seems to not loose size even then. I love the laid back colour.
I wonder if these are typical characteristics of a PWM type of compression?

So far the mix bus and double bass seem to benefit the most from these characteristics.
Old 19th November 2019
  #94
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This is a great compressor when you want to play with the size of an instrument/vocal without loosing the low end depth. It seems that if you push this harder the low end bloom is retained and not lost like with some other compressors.

I have used it with quite a heavy compression and it seems to not loose size even then. I love the laid back colour.
I wonder if these are typical characteristics of a PWM type of compression?

So far the mix bus and double bass seem to benefit the most from these characteristics.
So happy to hear this!

Yes, I've noted the same thing: at low ratios, Mantis is especially gracious to low frequencies, to the point that you don't have to reach for the HP sidechain filter as often as you would with a typical compressor.

Maybe that's because in my other life I play double bass for a living...
Old 19th November 2019
  #95
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Originally Posted by SteDal View Post
So happy to hear this!

Yes, I've noted the same thing: at low ratios, Mantis is especially gracious to low frequencies, to the point that you don't have to reach for the HP sidechain filter as often as you would with a typical compressor.

Maybe that's because in my other life I play double bass for a living...
Yeah, I did not even mention but it was on 1,5:1 and 2:1 ratios as you said.
I would guess it is some kind of frequency dependant ratio thing happening. That got me wondering if that is a be general PWM comp characteristic.

The only other PWM type comp I have had experience with is Viridian which is nice, but lack of variable attack makes it less usable for me.
Old 19th November 2019
  #96
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So happy to hear this!

Yes, I've noted the same thing: at low ratios, Mantis is especially gracious to low frequencies, to the point that you don't have to reach for the HP sidechain filter as often as you would with a typical compressor.

Maybe that's because in my other life I play double bass for a living...
Interesting, I mainly use Mantis to deal with double bass and piano. They are both challenging instruments for different reasons, double bass has a tendency to have very erratic performance dynamics that are challenging to preserve (articulation is rarely even through the performance, and it is almost a treat to get some form of clean finger noise).

I usually find a setting on Mantis by dialling in the attack and release at higher rations, then relax it back to 1.5. 1.5 is pretty much perfect for all the jazz I through at it.

The way it preserves low end makes it incredibly useful as a piano compressor - melody lines don't trigger excessive compression of supporting chords.
Old 19th November 2019
  #97
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... I usually find a setting on Mantis by dialling in the attack and release at higher rations, then relax it back to 1.5. 1.5 is pretty much perfect for all the jazz I through at it...
Exactly my procedure, but for all comps really.
I have not yet tried it on piano and I would love to find a go-to for piano finally.
Old 19th November 2019
  #98
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Exactly my procedure, but for all comps really.
I have not yet tried it on piano and I would love to find a go-to for piano finally.
I tend to split my piano track into loud and soft channels and set the compressors to each style. I've never found a single hardware or software compressor that had a setting I could rely on for a whole song for piano. I'll often use something like Multiplicity to target any icepicks in the melody, then use something to shape the overall performance dynamic. Mantis does seem quite natural at that task. I used Amber for a while, but it tends to make the transients stick out separately.
Old 22nd November 2019
  #99
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Hi.

A quick heads-up for all who asked for it...

The trial version of MANTIS2 has just been updated. Now it is exactly the same as the commercial version, of course except for the 30-day limited usage period.

Now it's the right time to do yourself a favor and take a test drive, in case you haven't yet...
Old 22nd November 2019
  #100
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Originally Posted by SteDal View Post
Hi.

A quick heads-up for all who asked for it...

The trial version of MANTIS2 has just been updated. Now it is exactly the same as the commercial version, of course except for the 30-day limited usage period.

Now it's the right time to do yourself a favor and take a test drive, in case you haven't yet...
Hi, just to make sure:
I see trial on v.B000 and commercial on v.F000.
Both are equal at core?
Old 22nd November 2019
  #101
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Hi, just to make sure:
I see trial on v.B000 and commercial on v.F000.
Both are equal at core?
Confirmed, they should be the same version.
Old 23rd November 2019
  #102
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Confirmed, they should be the same version.
Perfect, I`ll give it another round.
Old 29th November 2019
  #103
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damn, really going to remove the early access pricing on Black Friday? I've had it in my cart for the checkout I'll be doing today (didn't want to risk not having a code for today).
Old 29th November 2019
  #104
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damn, really going to remove the early access pricing on Black Friday? I've had it in my cart for the checkout I'll be doing today (didn't want to risk not having a code for today).
Nooo!

Where on earth did you get that info? It wouldn't be a great commercial strategy, would it?

Of course the low intro price for Mantis2 is still there, but also my other libraries (presently Henry-Q Germanium Inductor Eq and Pureteq Passive Eq bundle) are offered at a special 30% discounted price.

So, now's the time... if you haven't done it yet, go, try 'em, grab 'em!!!
Old 29th November 2019
  #105
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Nooo!

Where on earth did you get that info? It wouldn't be a great commercial strategy, would it?

Of course the low intro price for Mantis2 is still there, but also my other libraries (presently Henry-Q Germanium Inductor Eq and Pureteq Passive Eq bundle) are offered at a special 30% discounted price.

So, now's the time... if you haven't done it yet, go, try 'em, grab 'em!!!
Nice, thanks! Well, Mantus 2 was just changed to 30% off on the Acustica website. Late last night, I noticed it changed to the full price on the website BTW.
Old 18th December 2019
  #106
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Christmas is coming, and all SoundDrops libraries are getting into the festive spirit...


Why not take advantage of the XMas special, then?

35% discount on all SD Acqua libraries!







Enjoy!
Old 21st December 2019
  #107
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Hey! Been trying this one for quite awhile now and find it very useful more and more. Purchased Pureteq and Henry Q during BF and I love them and Mantis will probably be purchased during this Christmas sale, depending on funds. But I do have a couple of feature requests for SteDal that would make this to an invaluable gem for me.

Been mentioned previously, but a side chain filter for the low band. That would make it very useful to make it respond to low mid areas. I like to leave low end compression until the very end.
But also, as important for me, would a low pass filter for the high bands sidechain. Been thinking of it before, when using it together with Fatso's warmth feature for example. But now with the Celestial MB, this feature would also be invaluable for me. With both filters, you could leave the very low end and high end out, making Mantis do it's magic on the low mid and high mid for example. Followed by Celestial, that would be a killer combo for making Celestial work on the untouched high end, still leaving the low end out for the final touch. For example, with the Titanium 33B, or another Mantis for that matter, you could then focus on the left out low end and do subtle final touches on the mid/highs if you would like, great with a slow attack in contrast to the fastest setting on the Celestial with the fastest attack. I'm sure I would use that combo on almost every master, subtle or hard. Endless possibilities.

It would be really easy to stack several Mantis for targeting problem areas, acting like a dynamic eq/deesser etc.

Would love to hear your input on these thoughts! Merry Christmas!

Last edited by Bouillabaisse; 21st December 2019 at 01:09 PM.. Reason: typo HPF/LPF
Old 21st December 2019
  #108
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Hey! Been trying this one for quite awhile now and find it very useful more and more. Purchased Pureteq and Henry Q during BF and I love them and Mantis will probably be purchased during this Christmas sale, depending on funds. But I do have a couple of feature requests for SteDal that would make this to an invaluable gem for me.

Been mentioned previously, but a side chain filter for the low band. That would make it very useful to make it respond to low mid areas. I like to leave low end compression until the very end.
But also, as important for me, would a high pass filter for the high bands sidechain. Been thinking of it before, when using it together with Fatso's warmth feature for example. But now with the Celestial MB, this feature would also be invaluable for me. With both filters, you could leave the very low end and high end out, making Mantis do it's magic on the low mid and high mid for example. Followed by Celestial, that would be a killer combo for making Celestial work on the untouched high end, still leaving the low end out for the final touch. For example, with the Titanium 33B, or another Mantis for that matter, you could then focus on the left out low end and do subtle final touches on the mid/highs if you would like, great with a slow attack in contrast to the fastest setting on the Celestial with the fastest attack. I'm sure I would use that combo on almost every master, subtle or hard. Endless possibilities.

It would be really easy to stack several Mantis for targeting problem areas, acting like a dynamic eq/deesser etc.

Would love to hear your input on these thoughts! Merry Christmas!
Hi Bouillabaisse!

I'm really glad you're enjoying my libraries.

As far as your feature requests, you're not the first one to ask for a HP filter in the multiband version of Mantis2. Yet I've never thought about putting a LP filter in the detector chain of the high band (since this is what you're suggesting, if I got it right: some gain reduction in the hi-mid range, leaving the high end untouched).

All this is surely feasible, but come to think of it, maybe a 3-band version of MB Mantis2 could meet your needs in a simpler and more elegant way... what do you think?

Anyway, a 3-band version of Mantis2 is already in my to-do list for a future upgrade (most likely a free one, in keeping with AA tradition).

Unfortunately, not due tomorrow, I'm afraid...
Old 21st December 2019
  #109
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Hi Bouillabaisse!

I'm really glad you're enjoying my libraries.

As far as your feature requests, you're not the first one to ask for a HP filter in the multiband version of Mantis2. Yet I've never thought about putting a LP filter in the detector chain of the high band (since this is what you're suggesting, if I got it right: some gain reduction in the hi-mid range, leaving the high end untouched).

All this is surely feasible, but come to think of it, maybe a 3-band version of MB Mantis2 could meet your needs in a simpler and more elegant way... what do you think?

Anyway, a 3-band version of Mantis2 is already in my to-do list for a future upgrade (most likely a free one, in keeping with AA tradition).

Unfortunately, not due tomorrow, I'm afraid...
Thanks for your reply! Of course I mistyped HPF instead of LPF in the high band side chain, as you correctly assumed.

A 3 band version would be awesome, yes! A LPF in the highest band could still be very useful though, just as a HPF in the lowest. With another Mantis 2-band, you could then create a 4th band, using only the low band with the crossover set to as the HPF of the 3-band Mantis. The high band of the second Mantis (2-band) could be useful as a broad band compressor for the full mix, minus the low band (which would act as a HPF for the high band). Following with Celestial MB, with the crossover set to the initial Mantis's LPF of the highest band... I'm sure it would cover all my needs forever and ever, drooling over the thought of it!
/having the Celestial first, leaving out where it acts for the same Mantis chain with a LPF in the highest band. Then you could play with the stereo image before hitting the Mantis's. Yes, I do love this thought and am thankful for your listening!
Following that with another Mantis, with the LPF set in the higher frequencies, you could make the Celestial act on the transients with a fast attack, and the Mantis with a slow attack for leveling. All very subtle, the way they both sound, I'm sure it would aid some really transparent multiband control.

Summarized with theorized example for clarification:
Fast Celestial for the high band and imaging (for example at 5k)
Mantis for the low mid, mid, high mid (for example 160-640, 640-1.3k, 1.3k-5k)
Mantis for the lows and broad, where low band acts as hpf (0-160, 160-full/5k)
Mantis for the high band, slow. And broad if you want to, where high band acting as a LPF. (0-5k, 5k-full)
8 bands with great complete control...

Last edited by Bouillabaisse; 21st December 2019 at 01:22 PM..
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