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SKnote release TwinR Tube Guitar Amplifier - A detailed model from pickup to speaker.
Old 4th September 2019
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The great fedback we get from users of this amp is"feels real".
Such a feeling comes from two things: emulating the whole system and how we model the cabinet (no simple, basic IRs).
Old 5th September 2019
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Uhm, wrong way. The strenght of great quality, component level emulations of these amps is them running as a whole.
Well, we could pick e.g. pre's output while the whole anp is running, would be a decent approximation, but would be very cpu intensive.
You mean like an effects loop? Has anyone ever done an effects loop in a software amp sim? I know the Twin didn't have one originally, but devs are always doing unique stuff w/ their vintage models that go beyond the original hardware. I just know that my Small Clone sounds amazing through my PSA-1 effects loop and lame in comparison in front of it. Btw, you ought to make a Small Clone! No one has a good one. No one.
Old 5th September 2019
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Well, this is very specific, that is why it is so successful. Comparing different amps is another story
I think I may have heard of the amp it seeks to emulate before - but no, for me it's not another story.

In the end these all basically seek to emulate the same thing.
Old 5th September 2019
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All the designs of these tube amps are the same, at the end. It is how frequency dependencies are distributed (by design or by limits of the design) that makes huge differences in the character.
We need sound for these discussions

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Old 5th September 2019
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Perhaps but if I shared something, I don't think it would be to your advantage.

While on one hand I admire your passion for your own craft and products, I on the other hand feel that sometimes you are maybe just a little to euphoric and confident in regards to the assumed superiority of your processors.

to me you appear at times a little bit like the Lou Reed of plugin development.
Old 5th September 2019
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Perhaps but if I shared something, I don't think it would be to your advantage.

While on one hand I admire your passion for your own craft and products, I on the other hand feel that sometimes you are maybe just a little to euphoric and confident in regards to the assumed superiority of your processors.

to me you appear at times a little bit like the Lou Reed of plugin development.
All this discussion without audio is meaningless, I am not talking about our advantage, I'm talking about guving a meaning to otherwise abstract discussion.

Post some audii, it will be interesting.
We have lots of audio online, and I also love the reaction of guitarists playing through emus here, but saying "somerhing else that I won't show is xy" tells us nothing!

Come on, show us a goid Twin Reverb sound, let's make this tgread interesting
Old 5th September 2019
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Like I said I don't really give much about whether it's a "Twin Reverb" or whatever (a plugin is never really this or that anyway - it's just a computer program seeking to emulate this or that) - what I care more about is how expressive it feels and when it's supposed to be a Fender emulation how "Fenderish" it appears to me when I use it. And of course if there's a spring reverb it should to what it says on the tin too.
I am one of those typical "mostly cleanish" Strat players so you can rest assured that I kind of have a slight clue of what I am talking about here.

Here's some little diddly that I did once basically just for the purpose of showing inasmuch a certain amp succeeds in doing that clean twangy Fender thing...

http://data.handmademusic.ch/music/Buffaloes.mp3


What does everyone else think in regards to how successfully it does that?
Old 5th September 2019
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Thanks, now we are talking! :D
Old 8th September 2019
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Here's some little diddly that I did once basically just for the purpose of showing inasmuch a certain amp succeeds in doing that clean twangy Fender thing...

http://data.handmademusic.ch/music/Buffaloes.mp3


What does everyone else think in regards to how successfully it does that?
That was the TwinR?
Old 8th September 2019
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I'm not saying. Could be software, could be hardware. (I have hardware amps (both transistor and tube), I have hardware emulations (both digital and analog) and I have countless plug-ins...)

I don't think you need to know what it is in order to evaluate what it does - actually quite the contrary potentially.
Old 10th September 2019
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This is why I like it:

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Old 10th September 2019
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And it's why I don't like it, honestly speaking. Whenever it overdrives there's a quite unpleasant (to me at least) fizziness. When going into saturation imo it doesn't seem to add much (if anything at all) positive to the signal however.

If you listen to my example in comparison, you can hear a wonderful thickness whenever it overdrives (listen to the solo towards the end - it's most obvious there, albeit present throughout the piece and across all tracks in lesser degrees).

Above you wrote:

"All the designs of these tube amps are the same, at the end. It is how frequency dependencies are distributed (by design or by limits of the design) that makes huge differences in the character."

I think that's not really adequate at all though. Do not underestimate compression and the dynamic reaction and character of the drive. It is very different for me to describe or pin-point it though - to me it's a bit like that supreme court judge once famously defined porn: "I know it when I see it".

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Old 10th September 2019
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Well, I need that "body", that I miss in your example entirely. That's what makes a Twin Reverb for the players who help here (and amp sellers for 38 years, now).

I guess there is a lot subjective, even using the same real amp.

Yes, all schematics are almost the same, just a few optional sections vary (high-gain intermediate stage?), the phase-splitter (old tweed Deluxe?), but the real difference comes from how frequencies are spread. I'm not talking of qualities of components, like kinds of tubes, of course, just about the schematics. But a single capacitors changes everything (not even talking about the tone stacks, here).
Old 11th September 2019
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Anybody know the TwinR parameter values for a flat EQ?
Old 16th September 2019
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Everything at 5!
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