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Waves introduces CLA MixHub Plugin
Old 3 weeks ago
  #751
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Originally Posted by MpaMusik View Post
I just purchased Sonimus Satson CS because the mixhub is so heavy on the cpu - The workflow is different but the sound is awesome. Think it's a nice alternative for CLA MixHub
I am just trying to weight this up too. I got mixhub when it came out, then sold it - instantly regretted it. Have also been on the fence about sonimus the whole time.
I really like both of them a lot and thunk they are great, but i already have a number of options which is why i have been hesitant to just grab more and more stuff. Though i am starting to think i prefer both of these options to my existing SSl options (PA, SSLNative etc etc)

The sonimus compressor is versatile but the attack doesnt grab down on the initial transients very quickly (which isn't handy on some sources when super fast attack is needed, but i find it perfect for drum close mics)

The drive on both is fantastic, with the workflow of the sonimus drive being smooth as hell (also sonimus has the option of multiple drive modules and selectable oversampling options)

The low end on the sonimus EQ is really smooth and fat - sounds awesome. The Waves eq is snappier in my recollection and has instant SSL vibe.
Both great, similarly priced in the current sale.

Tough choice!
Old 2 weeks ago
  #752
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Still struggling with that choice again today. Just tried Sonimus again - the drive is lovely on it. Comp has a lovely smack (despite not being as quick sounding on the attack) also love that low end on the EQ.
With the sales on Mixhub and Satson are very similarly priced. Very tough indeed.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #753
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A combination of Fabfilter Q3, C2 and Sonimus SC if The CLA Mixhub is to heavy on the cpu is awesome.
Love the sound of Mixhub, but not using it any longer
Old 2 weeks ago
  #754
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Just did a typical rock mix with CLA Hub, wanted to see how well it would work mixing in "bucket" fashion

62 tracks total - 6 FX returns
Had 39 channels with CLA Mix Hub
a couple of H-EQ
CLAla2a loaded into the insert of one of the mix hubs

FX returns
3 echo boys
1 RVerb
1 Abby Roads Plates
1 doubler
1 TrueVerb

Had J37 Tape on Drum bus

Mstr:
The Glue
Pultec EQ
Softtube Tape

i5 quad 3.2ghz Win10 PT 2019.x
RME Raydat @ 128 buffer
78% CPU total

Light automation.
Threw NLS on same channels as Mixhub with the "mike" button selected.

It was kind of a new experience mixing in this fashion - in buckets of 8.

other than some lag when stopping or starting the transport, I really didn't even notice any CPU load. No drop outs, etc... If I had, I would have bumped it up to 256.

I found that I liked the sound of it over the BX-Console SSL. Seemed to have more attitude when driven, more harmonically rich.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #755
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dcwave View Post
Just did a typical rock mix with CLA Hub, wanted to see how well it would work mixing in "bucket" fashion

62 tracks total - 6 FX returns
Had 39 channels with CLA Mix Hub
a couple of H-EQ
CLAla2a loaded into the insert of one of the mix hubs

FX returns
3 echo boys
1 RVerb
1 Abby Roads Plates
1 doubler
1 TrueVerb

Had J37 Tape on Drum bus

Mstr:
The Glue
Pultec EQ
Softtube Tape

i5 quad 3.2ghz Win10 PT 2019.x
RME Raydat @ 128 buffer
78% CPU total

Light automation.
Threw NLS on same channels as Mixhub with the "mike" button selected.

It was kind of a new experience mixing in this fashion - in buckets of 8.

other than some lag when stopping or starting the transport, I really didn't even notice any CPU load. No drop outs, etc... If I had, I would have bumped it up to 256.

I found that I liked the sound of it over the BX-Console SSL. Seemed to have more attitude when driven, more harmonically rich.
Oh nice!!

From memory, the “Mike” channels are from an EMI TG desk. The Spike is SSL and the Nevo is Neve. But there is no law saying you can’t blend different “colors” together. In fact, it’s probably better if you do throw some variation in there.
Old 1 week ago
  #756
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Is there a major quality difference with the CLA Hub vs Waves SSL E/G channel?
Old 1 week ago
  #757
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Originally Posted by bob2018 View Post
Is there a major quality difference with the CLA Hub vs Waves SSL E/G channel?
I would not say quality. The difference is CLA Hub sounds more authentic. There are some years between them in developer experience.

With the CLA you can't do much wrong, it sounds always good. The input module distorsion is great also the bluey comp.

And there is a slot for another Waves plugin. I tried CLA-2a or CLA-3a with interesting results.

Great SSL emulation but I never used the hub section so far.

For more clean mixes, I prefer the bx SSL 4000 G.
Old 1 week ago
  #758
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dcwave View Post
Just did a typical rock mix with CLA Hub, wanted to see how well it would work mixing in "bucket" fashion

62 tracks total - 6 FX returns
Had 39 channels with CLA Mix Hub
a couple of H-EQ
CLAla2a loaded into the insert of one of the mix hubs

FX returns
3 echo boys
1 RVerb
1 Abby Roads Plates
1 doubler
1 TrueVerb

Had J37 Tape on Drum bus

Mstr:
The Glue
Pultec EQ
Softtube Tape

i5 quad 3.2ghz Win10 PT 2019.x
RME Raydat @ 128 buffer
78% CPU total

Light automation.
Threw NLS on same channels as Mixhub with the "mike" button selected.

It was kind of a new experience mixing in this fashion - in buckets of 8.

other than some lag when stopping or starting the transport, I really didn't even notice any CPU load. No drop outs, etc... If I had, I would have bumped it up to 256.

I found that I liked the sound of it over the BX-Console SSL. Seemed to have more attitude when driven, more harmonically rich.
If youre just mixing then latency is not a factor. You should set your buffers as high as possible and gain the extra cpu available
Old 1 week ago
  #759
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Originally Posted by kurdish mayfield View Post
If youre just mixing then latency is not a factor. You should set your buffers as high as possible and gain the extra cpu available
That's true, but people keep saying what a CPU hog these thing are - CLA Mix hub, Abby Roads plates and Chambers. I use them all the time to mix. and don't need to change my buffers to go from tracking to mixing. So my example was how many instances of them I ran at 128 on an i5.

I would never track through them. I have outboard for tracking.
Old 1 week ago
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Originally Posted by dcwave View Post
That's true, but people keep saying what a CPU hog these thing are - CLA Mix hub, Abby Roads plates and Chambers. I use them all the time to mix. and don't need to change my buffers to go from tracking to mixing. So my example was how many instances of them I ran at 128 on an i5.

I would never track through them. I have outboard for tracking.
We work @ 96k so CPU usage can be an issue. Still, with a 2013 MacPro 12-core cylinder there's no problem with 40-50 tracks plus anything else that's necessary (have to buffer when mixing).Usually mix and match Mixhub + Scheps Omni channel. Both are very good IMO.
Old 3 days ago
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Originally Posted by dcwave View Post
That's true, but people keep saying what a CPU hog these thing are - CLA Mix hub, Abby Roads plates and Chambers. I use them all the time to mix. and don't need to change my buffers to go from tracking to mixing. So my example was how many instances of them I ran at 128 on an i5.

I would never track through them. I have outboard for tracking.
Users can be such hypocrites really. They all go on how they wasn’t something more authentic, and accurate and they want it to oversample. But then they complain when the plugins use too much CPU.

They got what they wanted. You can’t improve quality without increasing calculations. Increasing calculations will always tax the CPU more. You can either have a less detailed plugin and save the CPU or you can have something more detailed but comes with a higher CPU load. You just can’t have both.
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