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Old 8th August 2020
  #1591
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I much prefer the tone of my 2192 to the x6 for A/D, unless I need that forwardness/modernness of the apollo conversion for lets say modern dance music/pop/hip hop, etc. The 2192 has some tape head type components I believe, so transparency is not its ultimate purpose. It just sounds like music to me.

for this issue below, instead of sending it out, just change the output to the digital out/s that go to the 2192 and you won't hear it double, only the monitored incoming track where you're recording it back into your daw.

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Helllo Apollo and Ableton Live 10 users,

I own an Apollo x8 and Ableton 10 Live, and want to use external analog unit.

I put in my session the ableton external audio rack, and send the ableton track to my analog output of the x8 (analog outputs 7 and 8) to my output analog gear (neve preamp) and set the signal back in digital (because I am using a Uaudio 2192 converter to make the conversion job) to my adat input of my x8.

But When I do that, I always have and hear in my master output of the x8 the sound of the signal I send and the master output sound. The sound is doubled with the signal I send and the master output.

How can I do to just hear the external signal return, without having it melt doubled.

I guess it is a setting to do in the UAD console.

Thanks a lot for your help

Regards

Sergio
Old 31st August 2020
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Posting on Gearslutz is much like swimming in the ocean with bucket of chum in one hand, but here we go....

My particular x16, when clocked externally by the Grimm CC2, is the finest sound I have ever had at my disposal. I am comparing this with the Cranesong Solaris, and that is an extremely good unit.

The Solaris, at less than half the cost of the x16 plus Grimm combination, still competes closely in sound quality, when fed via AES and using the Solaris fixed outputs. (The fixed outputs do sound better than the variable outputs on the Solaris.) I tested this at 44.1, 96, and 192K.

Interestingly, the sound quality of the Solaris improved noticeably when fed from the AES output of the x16. I attribute this to the Thunderbolt 3 data flow, which must be of more stable stuff than standard USB, even with my USB re-clocking efforts. This is also a tribute to the engineering on the x16 that it passes a very high quality digital stream.

What am I listening on:
Amphion Two18
Optoma/NuForce class AB amplifier (also tested with Amphion AMP500)
Grimm TPR audio cables and AES cable

What did I listen to?
HD tracks mastered at high sample rates.
SoundCloud, Netflix etc. at 44.1
Some tracks I recorded on the Dangerous AD+ at 192K in previous testing. (Those tests will need to be re-done in view of the new setup)

I won't bore you with too many more details, except to emphasize that the external Grimm CC2 clock (with my particular x16) is a necessity. To put this in perspective: Without the CC2, the Solaris would be the champion in this test by a good margin. (To my spoiled ears at least.) Yes.

Ear fatigue is at an all time low. More clarity throughout the range. Fab Dupont stated that the x16 had an extra octave of clean tight bass. I was skeptical, but to my ears it sounds like he is correct. Even compared to the Solaris.

Before passing judgement on the x16, you owe it to yourself to audition a Grimm CC2.
Beautiful review! Thanks! Dos this apply also to the AD (for example after summing). I’m interested in the Convert AD+ but maybe the CC2 can also improve my print? Thanks!
Old 31st August 2020
  #1593
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Beautiful review! Thanks! Dos this apply also to the AD (for example after summing). I’m interested in the Convert AD+ but maybe the CC2 can also improve my print? Thanks!
I have an AD+ and in my original testing, I liked the Grimm clocking over the onboard Dangerous clock. I know of two other Slutz members who have chosen the Grimm for clocking and prefer it over the onboard clocking of the AD+.

There is a response buried in some thread where a Dangerous rep stated that their clock is specified to be "under 10 picosecond jitter". The Grimm and Cranesong clocks are spec'd at under 1 picosecond jitter.

Ultimately you will need to test for yourself of course.
Old 31st August 2020
  #1594
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I have an AD+ and in my original testing, I liked the Grimm clocking over the onboard Dangerous clock. I know of two other Slutz members who have chosen the Grimm for clocking and prefer it over the onboard clocking of the AD+.

There is a response buried in some thread where a Dangerous rep stated that their clock is specified to be "under 10 picosecond jitter". The Grimm and Cranesong clocks are spec'd at under 1 picosecond jitter.

Ultimately you will need to test for yourself of course.
Great, thanks for sharing. I'll test the CC2 with my setup soon.
Old 31st August 2020
  #1595
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Great, thanks for sharing. I'll test the CC2 with my setup soon.
I look forward to your results. (I did not do detailed testing on the A/D side of the x16)
Old 1st September 2020
  #1596
.. can of worms .. I find it hard to believe that this box sounds better with an external clock..
Old 1st September 2020
  #1597
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.. can of worms .. I find it hard to believe that this box sounds better with an external clock..
I’ve just tested the line i/o on an X6 with an out the box sum, so that is using the DA/AD and it definitely sounds slightly better when clocked to the Grimm CC2 over word-clock.

I did 2 real-time bounces of the same mix (over at the Grimm thread: Grimm CC2 - fantastic !) and there is a subtle difference. I think it sounds better.

BUT.....

For simple audio playback from my Mac I don’t hear an improvement when clocked to the Grimm and in fact for the monitor out DA I think it sounds worse. But as I like to use analog summing for what I do, I just felt that the DA/AD trip could sound better, hence me trying the Grimm. I’ll be doing some more mixes over the next few days and weeks, I’ll update if the position changes.

Also of course this is the X6 and not the X16, which has a better DA, but the same AD. So that might be different.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1598
Curious about adding additional ADAT to two apollos. I have a Twin mk2 and an APollo X8. Can I add a 16 channel ADAT interface to this combo? So the X8 would be syncing 8 channels IO and the Adat would just handle 8 ins through ADAT? One wordclock to the ADAT interface from the X8 would handle clocking. Is this possible?

Thanks
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1599
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Curious about adding additional ADAT to two apollos. I have a Twin mk2 and an APollo X8. Can I add a 16 channel ADAT interface to this combo? So the X8 would be syncing 8 channels IO and the Adat would just handle 8 ins through ADAT? One wordclock to the ADAT interface from the X8 would handle clocking. Is this possible?

Thanks
Sure, this should work no problem.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1600
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Sure, this should work no problem.
Sorry I meant to say that the TWIN would handle another 8 in. I thought I read in the manual that onlt one adat expander can be added to an Apollo system. So just double checking.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1601
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I just hope that they don't have the old "Waves" mentality with trying to squeeze us for every last dime before they realize that they should have given us UAD3 or more DSP sooner before its too late.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Sorry I meant to say that the TWIN would handle another 8 in. I thought I read in the manual that onlt one adat expander can be added to an Apollo system. So just double checking.
Yes, it's 8 channels per unit.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1603
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Yes, it's 8 channels per unit.
So to be clear per @ szyam ‘s question if I had a Twin mk2 and an Apollo x8 I can connect an 8 channel ADAT extender to each of the Apollos simultaneously and have access to all 16 additional channels at the same time?
Is that what was meant by “it’s 8 channels per unit.”
Old 4 weeks ago
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So to be clear per @ szyam ‘s question if I had a Twin mk2 and an Apollo x8 I can connect an 8 channel ADAT extender to each of the Apollos simultaneously and have access to all 16 additional channels at the same time?
Is that what was meant by “it’s 8 channels per unit.”
Correct.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1605
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Correct.
Hi Drew (if that's still you?)

In the above scenario, would it be the case that the latency would be the same or different for the two ADAT devices, in terms of the audio returned back to Console or the DAW? I think I'm right in saying that, the latency at least would be different to audio at the line ins on the x8 for instance?
Old 4 weeks ago
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Hi Drew (if that's still you?)

In the above scenario, would it be the case that the latency would be the same or different for the two ADAT devices, in terms of the audio returned back to Console or the DAW? I think I'm right in saying that, the latency at least would be different to audio at the line ins on the x8 for instance?
Yup, still Drew.

All converters/devices have their own unique timings, so yes they could be different. But if it's a 16 channel device, they'd all be the same.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1607
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Yup, still Drew.

All converters/devices have their own unique timings, so yes they could be different. But if it's a 16 channel device, they'd all be the same.
Cheers Drew Glad to see you're still around.

I see, you mean one 16 i/o ADAT interface and split connection to the Apollos between the two? Never thought of that!
Old 4 weeks ago
  #1608
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Cheers Drew Glad to see you're still around.

I see, you mean one 16 i/o ADAT interface and split connection to the Apollos between the two? Never thought of that!
Yea I was considering picking up the Ferrofish as it was on sale over the weekend, 20% off. However I really don't like dealing with ADAT and am just considering moving to a X16 from my X8 so I didn't pick it up. I think it could be a good addition though...

I'm pretty sure I read that only one Apollo in a multi-Apollo system could be expanded via ADAT, so that's why I was asking. But, not finding that statement now...
Old 3 weeks ago
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Yea I was considering picking up the Ferrofish as it was on sale over the weekend, 20% off. However I really don't like dealing with ADAT and am just considering moving to a X16 from my X8 so I didn't pick it up. I think it could be a good addition though...

I'm pretty sure I read that only one Apollo in a multi-Apollo system could be expanded via ADAT, so that's why I was asking. But, not finding that statement now...
I think that one Apollo statement might have been referring only to an Apollo system connected to the computer via FireWire.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #1610
Does UA release their Apollo Q4 promos in Oct or November? I thought it was Oct in the past but not sure. I saw the last promo ended Sep 30 but haven't seen anything new mentioned yet...
Old 2 weeks ago
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Does UA release their Apollo Q4 promos in Oct or November? I thought it was Oct in the past but not sure. I saw the last promo ended Sep 30 but haven't seen anything new mentioned yet...
Sometimes we mix it up.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Sometimes we mix it up.
Mix up something tastey!
Old 2 weeks ago
  #1613
Picking up my 3rd Apollo interface. The x16. Current have 2 x6 which i need to swap for 2 x8’s.

So far it’s been SUPER ROCK SOLID.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Picking up my 3rd Apollo interface. The x16. Current have 2 x6 which i need to swap for 2 x8’s.

So far it’s been SUPER ROCK SOLID.
Nice! My X8 has been super solid too.

Ale
Old 2 weeks ago
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Hi djrustycans,
Happy to help.

1. yes, will work perfectly.

2. you'd need another adaptor, but the Twin will work hanging off the x6 no problem.

3. You'd probably add that to a second port with a FW to TB adaptor.

4. Can't really speak to the subjective converter situation, sorry. I certainly wouldn't consider it a step down in any way shape or form. In fact, much of our listening testes would conclude the opposite.

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any follow up questions.
Hi!

Still looking in to buying more UAD horsepower with either an Octo or the X6 with the added benefits.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that in order to use the Apollo Twin as a monitor controller for the X6, it needed to be a Mk2 or above? Is this correct? I have the Mk1..

As an aside, I did some extensive testing of UAD saturation from preamps and compressors recently and pitted them against my Silver Bullet API & Neve circuits and also LOTS of native plugin preamps and saturators.

I was quite taken aback by how the UAD preamp saturation stays dynamic - almost as good as the Silver Bullet in some ways. For example, even the PA Lindell 80 series at full oversampling is quite simply flat compared to UAD 1073. It’s the same story for nearly all other native plugins I’ve tested, ranging from Fuse, to PA, SKnote, Soundtoys, Kush.....

Very happy with UAD right now!
Old 2 weeks ago
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Hi!

Still looking in to buying more UAD horsepower with either an Octo or the X6 with the added benefits.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that in order to use the Apollo Twin as a monitor controller for the X6, it needed to be a Mk2 or above? Is this correct? I have the Mk1..

As an aside, I did some extensive testing of UAD saturation from preamps and compressors recently and pitted them against my Silver Bullet API & Neve circuits and also LOTS of native plugin preamps and saturators.

I was quite taken aback by how the UAD preamp saturation stays dynamic - almost as good as the Silver Bullet in some ways. For example, even the PA Lindell 80 series at full oversampling is quite simply flat compared to UAD 1073. It’s the same story for nearly all other native plugins I’ve tested, ranging from Fuse, to PA, SKnote, Soundtoys, Kush.....

Very happy with UAD right now!
MKI will do it, but volume only. It lacks the buttons for the rest of the functionality.

re: plugin quality. Thanks for taking the time to test and post your results. We work REALLY hard and take a LONG time with our plugin development (to achieve the results you've found) and are happy to hear that it's noticed!
Old 2 weeks ago
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MKI will do it, but volume only. It lacks the buttons for the rest of the functionality.

re: plugin quality. Thanks for taking the time to test and post your results. We work REALLY hard and take a LONG time with our plugin development (to achieve the results you've found) and are happy to hear that it's noticed!
Thanks Drew. My current Mac only has 2 TB1 ports - one of which I plan to use with possibly the X6 and the Twin coming off that.

The other port will be using an OWC SSD enclosure, I plan to daisy chain that with my old Satellite QUAD FW with the Apple TB 3to2 adapter. Do you see that being ok?

I currently use the QUAD on its own TB1 port and it works fine.

I NEED to spread the word re UAD plugins and saturation - not something people talk about much...
Old 2 weeks ago
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The other port will be using an OWC SSD enclosure, I plan to daisy chain that with my old Satellite QUAD FW with the Apple TB 3to2 adapter. Do you see that being ok?

I currently use the QUAD on its own TB1 port and it works fine.
I think that will work just fine. Technically the only supported config is for all devices to be connected serially off the same port. We've had to go to this due to TB chipset changes in recent years.

Since Apollos are "realtime" in nature and Sats are not, they do play by slightly different rules.

Hope this helps.
Old 2 weeks ago
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I think that will work just fine. Technically the only supported config is for all devices to be connected serially off the same port. We've had to go to this due to TB chipset changes in recent years.

Since Apollos are "realtime" in nature and Sats are not, they do play by slightly different rules.

Hope this helps.
Great, ta! I see I've just missed the Unison promotion - is there anything else??
Old 2 weeks ago
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Thanks Drew. My current Mac only has 2 TB1 ports - one of which I plan to use with possibly the X6 and the Twin coming off that.

The other port will be using an OWC SSD enclosure, I plan to daisy chain that with my old Satellite QUAD FW with the Apple TB 3to2 adapter. Do you see that being ok.
I have an X8 plugged into my Mac and a twin plugged into an OWC hub, no problems.
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