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TDR Limiter 6 GE - Tokyo Dawn Records
Old 27th November 2018
  #301
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What's the deal with the new compressor mode "Nova".
I tried it on a vocal and it made it stand out in a good way.
I want to know how I should treat this algo!
Old 27th November 2018
  #302
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What's the deal with the new compressor mode "Nova".
I tried it on a vocal and it made it stand out in a good way.
I want to know how I should treat this algo!
This mode is copied from "TDR Nova" dynamic equaliser plugin and it works really nice on vocals indeed.

I saw an advice on Facebook that "Nova" compression mode with 50 ms attack and 100 ms release settings is good for "glueing" effect on the mix buss (set ratio to 2:1 or even lower for slight 1-2 dB action).

This is soft-knee compressor with 3 dB/Oct sidechain filter. Gain reduction is limited (ranged) leading to S-shape compression curve (like in opto compressors). Smaller ratio values lead to fewer maximum gain reduction.
Old 28th November 2018
  #303
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This mode is copied from "TDR Nova" dynamic equaliser plugin and it works really nice on vocals indeed.

I saw an advice on Facebook that "Nova" compression mode with 50 ms attack and 100 ms release settings is good for "glueing" effect on the mix buss (set ratio to 2:1 or even lower for slight 1-2 dB action).

This is soft-knee compressor with 3 dB/Oct sidechain filter. Gain reduction is limited (ranged) leading to S-shape compression curve (like in opto compressors). Smaller ratio values lead to fewer maximum gain reduction.
Thanks for info!

Btw.
Tried to null Nova GE against Limiter 6 using Nova Wideband mode and only compressor on Limiter 6.

They did not null.

Should they?

User error?
Old 29th November 2018
  #304
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Thanks for info!

Btw.
Tried to null Nova GE against Limiter 6 using Nova Wideband mode and only compressor on Limiter 6.

They did not null.

Should they?

User error?
Nova internally adds +3 dB as sidechain signal boost. It's done for calibration purposes to better match FFT analyzer (because you may literally "touch" the analyzer peaks by the threshold curve).

It means for the same threshold values in Nova you have the actual threshold 3 dB lower.
Old 14th January 2019
  #305
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Originally Posted by FabienTDR View Post
With A) bandwidth gets extended.
I'm sorry for the rudimentary question.
Limiter extend only higher frequency from original signal?
Old 31st January 2019
  #306
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Sorry if the question has previously been asked: when using only the Output module, comparing the PCM and the TP protection modes with the DELTA button on, why does the TP mode output more low-end than the PCM mode?
Old 2nd February 2019
  #307
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I'm sorry for the rudimentary question.
Limiter extend only higher frequency from original signal?
Limiters (once they start working) extend the input signal's bandwidth.

Say, if the signal ranged from 50Hz to 10kHz at the input, a limited version of it would likely both extend the LF toward DC and at least triple the 10kHz upper frequency to 30kHz (in the real world likely more than 5x). And end with with say, 5Hz to Nyquist. If it also introduces DC, you have DC to Nyquist.

Last edited by FabienTDR; 2nd February 2019 at 12:54 AM..
Old 2nd February 2019
  #308
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Sorry if the question has previously been asked: when using only the Output module, comparing the PCM and the TP protection modes with the DELTA button on, why does the TP mode output more low-end than the PCM mode?
That's because the True Peak limiter (much like any other module in lim6 except the PCM output limiter) operates on something close to the continuous signal, not just its PCM representation.

Delta of PCM limiting is highly distorted, with little harmonic relation to the original signal. That's why it sounds much less warm and musical (from technical point of view, it's "wrong").

Despite this, it adds some sort of metallic hardness to the sound, very common in dubstep and techno. TP limiting on the other hand is very clean from the musical point of view, and so is its DELTA.

Further, PCM limiting generally triggers less gain reduction than TP limiting (same threshold).
Old 2nd February 2019
  #309
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Thanks Fabien. Actually I found the opposite: I made several blind tests, and 100% of the times I preferred the PCM limiting over True Peak limiting. PCM limiting was always much cleaner than the TP one, actually way more cleaner, and more pleasant musically, I really didn't like TP limiting. Maybe it has to do with the fact that TP limiting triggers more gain reduction than PCM at the same threshold; we are then tempted to think that we should raise the threshold for TP limiting (or lower it for PCM limiting), but then what's the point of limiting? I want to limit at 0, not at +0.5 or at -0.5, or whatever the new threshold should be in order to compare the TP and PCM modes!

Anyway, I found that with either limiting mode, the less it does, the better to the sound. So for me I will stick with PCM limiting; and as for managing true peaks, I'll take the advice from a famous mastering engineer, which is having the maximum (PCM) peaks at -1 dBFS. That's not a big deal; lots of ME sacrifice 0.5dBFS, having an additional 0.5 is OK.
Old 4th February 2019
  #310
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I have another question: the 16 bit dither is only adding dither noise to the signal, it's not "truncating" to 16 bit, right? (I put the "truncating" word in quotes because I know that within a plugin there's no truncating from 32/64 bit floating point to X bits fixed point, it's just about preparing the sample values for the future conversion to fixed point and truncation). Thank you.

Last edited by soupiraille; 4th February 2019 at 12:00 PM.. Reason: Precisions
Old 4th February 2019
  #311
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I had an odd meter experience with the latest version of Limiter 6 GE yesterday.
The Loudness meters stopped working completely.
No signals at all.
It didn't matter which Mode I selected or how many times I clicked on the meters (hoping they would reset and spring back to life).
The Peak meters worked as usual.
This is in a saved project.

I added a new instance of GE 6 on the stereo bus (where the other instance lives) and the Loudness meters worked, yet they continued to not work at all in the saved instance.

I then saved the project, shut down and rebooted.
Normality returned and the Loudness meters worked again in the originally saved instance.

Weird
Old 4th February 2019
  #312
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Originally Posted by Beatworld View Post
I had an odd meter experience with the latest version of Limiter 6 GE yesterday.
The Loudness meters stopped working completely.
No signals at all.
It didn't matter which Mode I selected or how many times I clicked on the meters (hoping they would reset and spring back to life).
The Peak meters worked as usual.
This is in a saved project.

I added a new instance of GE 6 on the stereo bus (where the other instance lives) and the Loudness meters worked, yet they continued to not work at all in the saved instance.

I then saved the project, shut down and rebooted.
Normality returned and the Loudness meters worked again in the originally saved instance.

Weird
I think it just wanted some rest
Old 4th February 2019
  #313
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Originally Posted by Beatworld View Post
Weird
That's strange, keep me updated if this reappears please!
Old 4th February 2019
  #314
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Originally Posted by soupiraille View Post
I have another question: the 16 bit dither is only adding dither noise to the signal, it's not "truncating" to 16 bit, right?
Yes, it just makes sure any following truncation to 16bit doesn't create any distortion (the "save as fixed point" truncates anyway).
Old 5th February 2019
  #315
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Delta of PCM limiting is highly distorted, with little harmonic relation to the original signal. That's why it sounds much less warm and musical (from technical point of view, it's "wrong").

Despite this, it adds some sort of metallic hardness to the sound, very common in dubstep and techno. TP limiting on the other hand is very clean from the musical point of view, and so is its DELTA.
This explains why I use two instances: on the first one I drive the output module in PCM mode and the second is in true peak mode with no drive.

I wouldn't mind the inclusion of both modes so I can use a single instance with both modes.
Old 6th February 2019
  #316
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^ on Dub Step?
Old 6th February 2019
  #317
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^ on Dub Step?
Naah, dubstep is long gone from mainstream. Techno & house.
Old 8th February 2019
  #318
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Just checking out Linear analysis of the HF Limiter (absolute Mode) in Plugin Doctor.
I can't easily understand the relationship between the selected frequency and the results I'm seeing.

Vlad/Fabien, can you recall what frequency and threshold settings are used for the picture on page 19 of the limiter 6 GE Manual ??
I assumed the "corner frequency" meant the frequency where it starts to drop away from 0db, the start of the high shelf filter?
But what I'm seeing doesn't really match that idea.
In the pic on page 19 is the corner freq 1khz ?
The lowest frequency I can select is 1500Hz and with that selected the "corner" is around 200Hz with the threshold at -15db.
At around 7.5Khz the corner looks like 1Khz ??
Just really interested in getting a better understanding of how this works.
cheers

Last edited by Beatworld; 8th February 2019 at 02:03 AM..
Old 8th February 2019
  #319
Looks good for me:

TDR Limiter 6 GE - Tokyo Dawn Records-limiter6hflim.gif

"I assumed the "corner frequency" meant the frequency where it starts to drop away from 0db"

No, it is typically measured at 3 dB/oct.

Technically, that high shelf starts affecting the curve right after DC (any filter affects the whole whole bandwidth in a way or another, even if it's just by 0.0003dB). That's why the 3dB point is taken instead (or anything beyond 0dB).
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Old 8th February 2019
  #320
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Originally Posted by FabienTDR View Post
Looks good for me:

TDR Limiter 6 GE - Tokyo Dawn Records-limiter6hflim.gif

"I assumed the "corner frequency" meant the frequency where it starts to drop away from 0db"

No, it is typically measured at 3 dB/oct.

Technically, that high shelf starts affecting the curve right after DC (any filter affects the whole whole bandwidth in a way or another, even if it's just by 0.0003dB). That's why the 3dB point is taken instead (or anything beyond 0dB).
Thanks.
Maybe it's a Plugin Doctor thing.

I will email you some pics Fabien.

cheers

Last edited by Beatworld; 8th February 2019 at 04:24 AM..
Old 22nd February 2019
  #321
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The more I use this...the more I use it. It's my new "glue" stage.

If I need to get something pretty damn loud for those "special" clients, it's typically Limiter 6 with moderate settings on comp/brick/clip to tap down peaks and add a touch of glue, might hit HF limiter depending on the material > Softube Weiss MM-1 on De-Ess or Wide Mode with light settings to add that slight last bit of love, material dependent as well > FabFilter Pro-L for that final stage of clean gain, since it still seems to be the one that can handle the most LF information before it cracks under pressure.


I can typically always get where I need it to be in LUFS and perceived loudness with this combo. Each of them seem to play well with each other in this particular sequence, sharing the loudness burden without having to push any single one of them too hard. Majority of the added level is coming from the Weiss and Pro-L stage.


That's not to say Limiter 6 can't handle LOUD, it just seems to work best for me when used on reasonable settings. I think of it like Limiter 6 is Wade, Weiss is Bosh, and Pro-L is Lebron. We all know Wade and Bosh can win, but at the end of the day, you want Lebron on the floor to finish
Old 20th April 2019
  #322
this plug, is quite awesome!

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Old 20th April 2019
  #323
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That's not to say Limiter 6 can't handle LOUD, it just seems to work best for me when used on reasonable settings. I think of it like Limiter 6 is Wade, Weiss is Bosh, and Pro-L is Lebron. We all know Wade and Bosh can win, but at the end of the day, you want Lebron on the floor to finish
Can you use some female pornstars references please? Can't really get the difference since I don't watch football.
Old 6th May 2019
  #324
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which is better ? TDR LIMITER 6 GE or STEALTH LIMITER ?
Old 6th May 2019
  #325
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which is better ? TDR LIMITER 6 GE or STEALTH LIMITER ?
I don't believe there is a definitive answer to a question like this.
I tried the Stealth demo a few years back and it was very impressive, no doubt.
It offers dithering which the Limiter GE 6 doesn't offer.
I've seen strong support for it here at GS from users I respect.

I've had Limiter 6 GE since it was first released and use it all the time.
It has a number of features which the Stealth doesn't have.
A separate compressor and High Frequency Limiter for a start, plus separate Clipper and Limiter.
There are separate controls to tweak all the separate modules.

You can demo both and see which best suits your needs and skills.
Old 6th May 2019
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I don't believe there is a definitive answer to a question like this.
I tried the Stealth demo a few years back and it was very impressive, no doubt.
It offers dithering which the Limiter GE 6 doesn't offer.
I've seen strong support for it here at GS from users I respect.

I've had Limiter 6 GE since it was first released and use it all the time.
It has a number of features which the Stealth doesn't have.
A separate compressor and High Frequency Limiter for a start, plus separate Clipper and Limiter.
There are separate controls to tweak all the separate modules.

You can demo both and see which best suits your needs and skills.
I love both. (Somehow Stealth is little disorty i guess and something tells me 6GE is cleaner) Somehow i would like to save so money finally xd
Another way i need to buy them together xd
Old 6th May 2019
  #327
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It offers dithering which the Limiter GE 6 doesn't offer.
It does, actually. There's a little tick box on the upper right corner.

Not too many options though: just a 16-bit dithered output.
Old 6th May 2019
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It does, actually. There's a little tick box on the upper right corner.

Not too many options though: just a 16-bit dithered output.
Good spot.
Yes, I don’t use it for dithering.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Just finished an LP for a rock/reggae band and I actually preferred a combo of ProQ 3 and this over Ozone. Great work!
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