Yikes this thread.

Lol someone's nose is brown...

Wow!

Where did that come from ?

You didn't get it obviously ...

I guess he wanted to say that most people here don´t actually LOVE Stephen and Fabrice .

Nevertheless, they have some good stuff in their portfolio and aren´t hot air salesmen...

That was my point as well.

Hence my comment ...


Now back on topic.
I belive this comment is a good way to clear things up a bit.

Thanks again to bmanic

Respectfully, I beta test AA with bmanic, he's honest and tests everything in great detail, always providing support for his assertions. He clearly provides in this thread exactly how he tested the plugin. He clearly lists his issues with regard to cost vs. performance. He clearly presents what his objections are with regard to the wording on the marketing of the plugin, and supports what he believes to be misleading about it. His opinion is backed with logic and posted testing.

You have not provided one argument with any substance backing your 9 posts.

So who exactly are you? You claim to be a pro but I've yet to read one pro post from you. Your posts speak to having a clear bias with this plugin, as in you just registered on GS, and your only posts to this community are defending a new product. Problem is you have presented zero evidence to refute bmanic points, just words..... which is very unprofessional, as pro's always back up their assertions with support.

So I respectfully ask you, from one pro to another, to please provide actual evidence to refute bmanic's already provided evidence.

These people come along on a fairly regular basis. It's kinda fun to watch everybody get all riled up.
A while back somebody signed up and posted on the acoustics forum how rockwool destroyed their health. First and last post.
Gotta love the interwebs.

Sorry people as much as bmanic ruined parade i am on his side.

Firstly - he wasted time to test this. Secondly having knowledgeable people which actually support their arguments with FACTS is blessing and for this i like Gearslutz and this show me true purpose of public forum place.

Thank you bmanic. We see thread turned to personal fight but some of us (i believe i speak for many of them) value your (and other people) opinion and analytical skill.

To developer - no hard feelings. Just work harder, learn from your mistakes. Quite frankly i have at least 5 free Reaktor FX ensembles which does exactly what your plugin does (they are free in the public library) - and more - for free

Next time less pompous announcement and better pricing.

You don't understand. This was his first and last post because he likely passed away from rockwool health issue the very same moment he posted here.

(i just tried to bring some joke here)

Hi guys, as a CEO at Antipop Studio, I'm gonna try to answer a few things in this hijacked thread because I think that there are very unrespectful the accusations about this development.

1. About TeslaST: I first met the original box through a friend and them I realise that was a trick used in albums that I love and by some of my A-list favourite engineers, some of them that I know in person. After owning and using the hardware for years, I decide to contact a known, honest and skillful team of developers who I totally trust to figure out what was inside of that magic box. Being an analog device, they decided to trace the circuits to develop a plugin to work as expected.

2. About null tests: 99% of my EQ plugins could be cancelled just using a certain combination of others plugins. I own everything from Waves, Slate Digital, Steinberg, etc. The very expensive Steinberg RND Portico 5033 EQ (now 250 €, 450 € when it was introduced) can be cancelled using the parametric EQ bundled in any DAW. Does that it mean that the developers are cheating me? No, of course not: you are paying for a functionality, an interface, a way to interact between the machine and you, an automation system, and so on. In the case of the RND, I love the way its bands interact and it’s always in my 2 buss, just for small corrections.
So if you can replicate ALL the functionality of TestlaST using several plugins in chain and you don't mind about how you interact with it and the nuances of the simulation, then receive my congrats and DO NOT BUY IT.
The foundations of digital processing of audio are pretty basic, so when you try to put a plugin together you have to use the common blocks and math that everyone use (filters, distortion, delays, FFT, etc) and, in this case, we wanted to match the original specifications and interaction of controls of the real hardware that we were emulating and that’s why we are asking for money for the plugin.

3. About the price: The original units (we bought 3 in total) are expensive and hard to find, the circuit features custom unbranded integrated circuits and you should not forget that this is a boutique project and, of course, every developer has its own pricing scheme.

We want you to try and love this plugin and decide if you like it or not, and if you are willing to pay or not for it. We don’t want you to take this decision lightly, so we are giving a 60 days demo period, the longest demo period in this industry.

We put our heart into this plugin so, please, if you consider that this is not your thing, it’s absolutely ok for us, but, please, don’t underestimate what TeslaST is capable of and what this development means to us.

And, of course, you can try tesla at TeslaST Stereo Manipulator Plug-In Trial - Antipop Studio

Thanks!

But that’s the point though. We’re not talking about some coveted EQ, of which one with enough time to spare could painstakingly match the original curves, only to be left without its modelled analog byproducts.

For better or worse, your plug-in isn’t much more than what it is: yet another implementation of a well known process, which happens to be a secret to absolutely no one with any remote interest in sound production/processing. No amount of some of your A-list favourite engineers, some of them you know in person will ever change that.

And as pointed out, there also happens to be a handful of other plug-in/solutions already, that apply the same well known treatment, with no more hassle that what you offer - some of which from well established and respected developers, some of which free, some of which both.

This is disingenuous at best to call this thread ‘hijacked’. Putting a plug-in to the test, raising questions or asking for clarifications is certainly not akin to ‘accusations’. Although one might find ‘unrespectful’ to be called out for not buying grotesque marketing outright -- or said marketing, for that matter.

I get that you like your product and want it to be successful. And a 60 days demo period is generous indeed. But, man. You could not, literally and in every sense of the word, oversell it more.

for what it's worth, I've used the original one a few times at Larrabee Studios, I guarantee you that thing wasn't the secret sauce to anyones mixes...

Claudio Cueni

I sympathize with the argument for non exaggerated marketing
hoopla, but whether someone wants to buy an expensive plugin to do
something that can be done with combining simpler, widely available
tools is not specific to this plugin.

A few recent examples:

- The "voice of god" plugin debacle.
The argument there was that you can replicate it with a simple eq
hence uad was "scamming" the customers.

- The soundways reveal tool (you can replicate most of the settings with
a matching eq or by ear and an eq)

- Simulating the curves of any digital eq. Another epic discussion.

- The perennial "no need to buy synth preset banks, real men program
their own patches".

etc. etc.

Well, I bet his plug in does more than Kush Clariphonic, and that's 2x the price...
Lots of snake oil out there, but the fanboys eat it up, no questions asked.
Now, if the word "analog" was in the company name and you put a cool blue tube in the plugin, you would sell many more copies...price not an issue.
I think red was a bad choice for the color, it makes people angry. Black is your best bet. Or blue.

True. Let´s allow it to rest in peace now ...

Good example, that makes Audified's MixChecker look like great value.

Exactly this................ And the higher you fly, the harder you fall

he could, with a little help of Slate's hypnosis technique.

http://digitalmusicianonline.com/wp-...even_slate.jpg

Word!

That's rich coming from the guy who thinks a cheap microphone along with EQ curves in the plugin that comes with it replaces tens of thousands of dollars of top shelf and impeccably engineered professional microphones.

Lol Slate fanboys always somehow miss the irony of insinuating that some other company's products are snake oil.

I wasn't commenting on the plug in, never heard or used it. I did comment on the original hardware the plug is based on. I've used it on some of the mixes on the Boyz II Men 2 record way back in the 90's. Used in on a few bg vocals and I think the horn stab on the song Jezebel. The BASE was NOT the secret ingredient to the album selling something like 20 million world wide, lol. (Neither were my mixes).

As far as your Slate comment, thats simply to ignorant for me to comment on and give it any validation,

hope this helps,

Claudio Cueni

super wide mixes are so 2013

I'm sorry, but M/S processing is so trivial from a programming perspective that this should cost $5 and then you'd be mostly paying for the graphics artist.

If you would see someone selling simple lemonade for $150 a glass to lemon tree growers, how would you do the constructive critisism?

Still no real info provided to meet bManiac's reports i wonder why...

But that was also the emperors argument. Doesn't mean he got his worth of clothing.

So except for financing the developers pricey originals i see no good for the high price of this plugin.

I believe in a free market, but i also believe consumers should inform each other about the actual worth of a product. Its just way too easy to stick a trivial piece of code behind a nice UI and call it a product. Besides that, you can get soooo much more for similar prices. Take Reaktor for instance. You can do this plugin, and about a zillion others, for just a quarter more money than this plugin. So the actual value of this plugin is pretty low if you look at what is available on the market.

You seem to want to have, in a way, blind consumers with the only interaction being with the plugin without any context. Buy or not buy, that is the only question you want to drive it to.
But there is a lot to say about what it is exactly that you're buying and, for instance, wether that thing is to be had for much less (well, actually free) .

Just let me give you another example.
If someone would sell a Level plugin (with one fader, which controls the level of the signal) for $50, how would you react to that? Would you not warn others that they are basically being ripped off ?
Or would you still say "Well, you can try it for 60 days so i don't see the problem"?
A 60 day free rip off is still a rip off, right?

For the record, i'm not pounding the makers into the ground, i'm just taking a realistic look at their output. The plugin is just silly expensive for what it does.
If the devs spent a lot of time and effort (which they claim is the reason for the price) to make this then that's kind of their problem. I think its unfair to shove the expenses over to the customers if the result is nothing special.

But anyway, yeah, let's stop..

Would you mind sharing the settings you came up with to simulate this in the Voxengo MSED? ☺️

2005 even, maybe, lol. Wait, when did waves release the S1? That is when the width war really began lol. It's all Waves fault for making this type of tool available to the masses at such a low price point, along with all of the phase issues mastering engineers have been plagued with.

I still prefer the width knob on my Spl Vitalizer, and my Behringer Edison which has great m/s control, the Edison is the only Behringer product that i won't sell. If you can find one on the cheap and you want to try otb spatial treatments, the Edison is a great low fare unit.