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Old 7th January 2017
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New Apollo Twin MkII Desktop Audio Interface for Mac and Windows Systems Now Shipping

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Universal Audio, a leading manufacturer of professional audio recording hardware and software, is proud to announce that Apollo Twin MkII –– a ground-up redesign of the world's most popular professional desktop recording interface for Mac and Windows –– is now available in stores worldwide.

Featuring onboard Realtime UAD-2 SOLO, DUO, or all new QUAD processing, this portable, compact, and lightweight 2x6 Thunderbolt audio interface improves upon the original Apollo Twin’s gold-standard audio quality with completely redesigned A/D and D/A next-generation conversion — offering increased dynamic range and ultra-low THD.

Apollo Twin MkII also features Unison™ technology, which allows its dual mic preamps and front-panel DI to sound and behave like the world's most sought-after tube and solid state preamps, guitar amps, and stompboxes — including their all-important impedance, gain stage “sweet spots,” and circuit behaviors.

Based on breakthrough integration between Apollo’s digitally controlled analog inputs and its onboard UAD processing, Unison lets Apollo Twin MkII owners track through a range of colorful preamp emulations from Neve,® API,® Fender,® and more with amazing accuracy.*

Apollo Twin MkII also offers improved monitor functionality versus the original Apollo Twin — with Mute, DIM, Mono, and ALT speaker switching. It also includes monitor remote controls and a built-in talkback mic for easy communication with talent, or for recording slate cues. These features, combined with Apollo Twin MkII’s scalability, make it the new standard for professional desktop recording.

Apollo Twin MkII comes with Universal Audio's "Realtime Analog Classics" UAD plug-in bundle, featuring legacy editions of the LA-2A Classic Audio Leveler, 1176LN Limiting Amplifier, and Pultec EQP-1A Program Equalizer, as well as the 610-B Tube Preamp & EQ plug-in, and Softube Amp Room Essentials.

Apollo Twin MkII is now shipping with an estimated street price of $699 (SOLO), $899 (DUO), and $1,299 (QUAD).

Apollo Twin MkII Audio Interface –– Key Features
  • Desktop 2x6 Thunderbolt audio interface for Mac and Windows with next-generation 24-bit/192 kHz audio conversion
  • Available UAD-2 QUAD, DUO, or SOLO Core Processing for tracking through vintage compressors, EQs, tape machines, mic preamps, and guitar amp plug-ins with near-zero latency*
  • Unison™ technology offers stunning models of classic tube and transformer-based preamps, guitar amps, and stompboxes
  • Built-in talkback mic for communication with studio talent and recording slate cues
  • Improved monitor functionality including monitor remote functions and Mono, Mute, DIM, and ALT monitor controls
  • 2 premium Unison mic/line preamps; 2 line outputs; front-panel Hi-Z instrument input and headphone output
  • 2 digitally controlled analog monitor outputs for full resolution at all listening levels
  • Up to 8 channels of additional digital input via Optical TOSLINK connection
  • Includes Realtime Analog Classics UAD plug-in bundle, featuring Legacy versions of the LA-2A Classic Audio Leveler, 1176LN Limiting Amplifier, and Pultec EQP-1A Program Equalizer, plus Softube Amp Room Essentials, Raw Distortion, 610-B Tube Preamp & EQ, and more
  • Runs UAD Powered Plug-Ins via VST, Audio Units, RTAS, and AAX 64 in all major DAWs


Link : Apollo Twin MkII Thunderbolt Audio Interface
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Old 18th January 2017
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Nice update especially the updated converters. However I think the included plugin bundle is wearing a little thin at this point. Personally I'd like to see them include a guitar simm or 2 like the Marshall or Engle simm to compete with Antelope's Zen Tour which comes with a pretty good guitar simm for guitarists that runs off the FPGA chip. As a guitarist who already owns a UAD card and the analog classics already (minus the preamp stuff) and good native guitar simms that would be a decent enticement having a guitar simm or 2 included with the Analog Classics Bundle.
Old 18th January 2017
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Are they going to make an USB version of this too or will this be the first interface from them that works via TB on both Win and Mac?
To correct you, all of their current thunderbolt interfaces already work on both platforms, that is OSX and Win
Old 18th January 2017
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One other thing I would have liked to have seen with this update or in the next one : A dual headphone out. More and more smaller interfaces are including this feature as a lot of us just overdub a singer or instrumentalist at a time and a headphone box is overkill. Let's hope the next one has this.
Old 18th January 2017
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One other thing I would have liked to have seen with this update or in the next one : A dual headphone out. More and more smaller interfaces are including this feature as a lot of us just overdub a singer or instrumentalist at a time and a headphone box is overkill. Let's hope the next one has this.
Ya. I'm running a Twin in my studio and had to get an Art HeadAmp 4 Pro to run it in my studio. It's got talk back as well as 4 headphone outputs, so I got around the lack of talkback and headphone options. It was a must for me as with other larger interfaces, I could usually afford to burn a channel for talkback. With only 10 available with the Twin though, I had to find a headphone distributor with talkback in it so I didn't waste one on talkback.

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Old 18th January 2017
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This looks awesome but it doesn't say what kind of connection it uses. Thunderbolt 3 or regular Thunderbolt 2? I was hoping for a Thunderbolt 3 / USB-c connection.

And does anyone know if the Apollos have been on sale too like the original Twins are? Wondering if they'll update the Apollo as well
Old 18th January 2017
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To correct you, all of their current thunderbolt interfaces already work on both platforms, that is OSX and Win
That's weird, as for example in the description of this one, it says "Only for MAC OS, 10.8 or higher": https://www.thomann.de/fi/universal_...+twin_331148_1

But the main question here is that will the new Apollo have an USB version too? Also another thing that bothers me in using TB with windows is the drivers as i know a good motherboard for a PC build that has TB inputs in it.
Old 18th January 2017
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I tried Apollo 8p with Windows PC built upon Asus X99 Deluxe 2 and Intel 6850 and haven't had any issue with drivers...the operation was smooth and stable.

The only issue with PCs and Thunderbolt is the number of Thunderbolt slots on current PC motherboards. I really wished for more than a single one to be honest.
Old 18th January 2017
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this morning on the german homepage of *********** there is a test of the new apollo twin mkII:Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII Testbericht
Old 18th January 2017
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I tried Apollo 8p with Windows PC built upon Asus X99 Deluxe 2 and Intel 6850 and haven't had any issue with drivers...the operation was smooth and stable.

The only issue with PCs and Thunderbolt is the number of Thunderbolt slots on current PC motherboards. I really wished for more than a single one to be honest.
Oh nice, might consider TB afterall if that's the case.

And this one has 2 slots:

GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket 1151 - GA-Z170X-UD5 TH (rev. 1.0)
Old 18th January 2017
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Oh nice, might consider TB afterall if that's the case.

And this one has 2 slots:

GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket 1151 - GA-Z170X-UD5 TH (rev. 1.0)
GIGABYTE is on point with Thunderbolt. They are great for Hackintosh too. The GA-Z170X-Designare is an awesome music makers mobo.
Old 18th January 2017
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GIGABYTE is on point with Thunderbolt. They are great for Hackintosh too. The GA-Z170X-Designare is an awesome music makers mobo.
They are indeed amazing, atleast i haven't found any other motherboards than GB that have TB ports in them, weird.
Old 18th January 2017
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That's weird, as for example in the description of this one, it says "Only for MAC OS, 10.8 or higher": https://www.thomann.de/fi/universal_...+twin_331148_1

will the new Apollo have an USB version too? .
I'm guessing USB3 will follow 3 months behind the TB rollout. And I hope when it does it has improved compatibility. Without picking a converter argument, I don't see marketing the MK2 as having improved resolution as found on the Apollo rack units a big deal at all, and I also don't there is anything wrong with the resolution of the MK1, it's more than adequate and does the job it does very well, imo.

To me, the talk back and quad options is are the good news with MK2.

But I would also add that USB3 compatibility needs to improve on UAD interfaces.
Old 18th January 2017
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Ya. I'm running a Twin in my studio and had to get an Art HeadAmp 4 Pro to run it in my studio. It's got talk back as well as 4 headphone outputs, so I got around the lack of talkback and headphone options. It was a must for me as with other larger interfaces, I could usually afford to burn a channel for talkback. With only 10 available with the Twin though, I had to find a headphone distributor with talkback in it so I didn't waste one on talkback.
That's cool but I would prefer not to have to buy anything extra if I don't have to. Plus I'm a little suspect of the headphone amp quality on these budget boxes vs the on the unit.
Old 18th January 2017
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Disappointing release I have to say. Why do they still offer the SOLO? It should not have been released the first time around. I would have hoped that they'd ditched it and sold the DUO and QUAD at the old price points.

And still only one headphone output. They are either too cheap to implement it or they don't understand the scenarios in which these kind of products are used.
Talkback mic is a nice feature though!

I'll happily go on using my "old" Apollo. The converters are good enough for me and the price I have to pay for the DSP bump is really not worth it.
Old 18th January 2017
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Yeah it's what I feared.
Upgrading everything but the DSP.
This makes the DSP side rather embarrassing as a CPU offload box.
I guess it's okay for on the way in, which I think is a valid niche for them to be in.
But instead of showing that the DSP side is embarrassing and doubling the amount for the same money, they've gone for the approach where they pretend their DSP 'offload' is still as valid as it was when they launched it, nearly ten years ago.
The nerve people have. It's pretty amazing to me.

Don't get me wrong the product is valid, I just don't think I could look people in the eye and tell them it offloads their processor significantly.
Guess I'm not a sales person.
Old 18th January 2017
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Oh nice, might consider TB after all if that's the case.

And this one has 2 slots:

GIGABYTE - Motherboard - Socket 1151 - GA-Z170X-UD5 TH (rev. 1.0)
I swapped to this motherboard a couple of months ago and it works well with my Apollos (individually, not cascaded yet) using the Startech TB3>TB2 adaptor.
Old 18th January 2017
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This looks awesome but it doesn't say what kind of connection it uses. Thunderbolt 3 or regular Thunderbolt 2? I was hoping for a Thunderbolt 3 / USB-c connection.
See images - looks like thunderbolt 2.
Old 18th January 2017
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Upgrading everything but the DSP.
Well to be fair they did double the amount of DSP in the Twin. At a much higher price point however, which is the problem for me.
They are using the same approach for selling DSP that Apple is using with storage and RAM. The true price difference between these models can't in any way be reflected in the sales prices. They must have a really good margin on the Twin QUAD at €1299.

It will be interesting to see though if they are using the new SHARCs in these.
Old 18th January 2017
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And still only one headphone output. They are either too cheap to implement it or they don't understand the scenarios in which these kind of products are used.
Talkback mic is a nice feature though!
That is glaring and my main complaint along with the same old plugin bundle with nothing added to it like at least 1 guitar sim.
Old 18th January 2017
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Well to be fair they did double the amount of DSP in the Twin. At a much higher price point however, which is the problem for me.
Ah yeah I didn't see the quad.
Still. The outdated DSP is pretty much being sold at the old price. That's hello cocky if you ask me (I know no one is).
I agree with other posters that they should've just doubled the DSP for the same price. However, that would involve practically admitting that their DSPs are outdated, which is a tricky minefield for manufactorors who use DSPs. I understand that. It's not UA's fault that there's not much advancement. Even Apple didn't have enough pull to advance the PowerPC platform, so they switched to intel.
Now that more and more DSP mixers have switched to running on intel too, I wonder if UAD has painted itself into a corner. They may jump to another architecture like Avid did or be forced to go native. I wish 'em well.
(I'm personally hoping for native with DSP option for on the way in)
Old 18th January 2017
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this morning on the german homepage of *********** there is a test of the new apollo twin mkII:Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII Testbericht
Cheers Jacob,

For us non bi-lingual slutz, translated using Google:

Almost already a must-have for project studios: Experience in the Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII test report why this small audio interface plays at the top. The highlights: With the new Thunderbolt version, the device can be operated both on Mac and Windows for the first time. New features such as the built-in talkback microphone and monitoring options make studio setup even easier to use and workflow faster. There are also better converters and three models with one, two or four DSPs for the operation of the UAD-2 plugins on board. Why everything works like clockwork and more, you can find out right here ...

The Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII is now not only a Thunderbolt audio interface, but also a verifiable monitor controller. Oh, and the converters are even finer than before ... all you will find here in the review.

What is it? The Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII is a compact audio interface for Windows PCs and Macs. It is connected to the audio computer via a Thunderbolt connector. Two analog inputs can be used at the same time and there are outputs for two loudspeaker pairs. The complete equipment including the digital inputs via S / PDIF or ADAT can be found in the Infokasten. In our version (QUAD), four DSP chips are integrated for the in-house UAD-2 plugins. Alternatively, more favorable variants are available with one (SOLO) or two (DUO) chips. In addition, the Unison technology is used to reproduce the sound and behavior of legendary microphone preamplifiers, guitar amplifiers and effects pedals. They allow recording effects without noticeably increased latency. Compared to the predecessor model (see Universal Audio Apollo Twin), finer converters are on board - these are the ones used in the large Apollos for 19-inch racks. In addition, the possibilities for monitoring have been significantly extended - among other things, there are now buttons for muting, dimming and switching the output to a second loudspeaker pair as well as a talkback microphone. The Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII QUAD will be available at the street price of 1.499 Euro (including VAT & Shipping). The version DUO with two DSPs is offered for 1,049 euros and SOLO with a DSP for 799 euros in the specialist trade.

Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII Review The Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII The new Universal Analogue and Digital-to-Analog converters have now been installed - now the same as the large rack models, see Universal Audio Apollo and Universal Audio Apollo 8 Test report (also applies to model 8p). So our reference tracks sounded a bit crisper and clearer than with the MkI version. This was already very good and now you can add one more - with a larger dynamics catch and an even lower distortion factor. The signal quality is sublime in all aspects, so that even spoiled producers, mixing and recording engineers or musicians with the highest demands are happy. Latency & Stability We have tested the Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII on a MacBook Pro 2015. The cumulative latency (sum of input and output delay) was reduced to 44 ms at 4 ms. At 192 kHz it was 5 ms. The performance is thus identical to that of the MkI version (Thunderbolt). As before, there is no noticeable delay between voice / song or instrument play and the listening signal. This is for listening to the recording in your DAW. You can listen to latency in your own Mixer application console. If you use the in-house UAD plugins in the console, you come to just 2 ms. The used plugins can either be included with or used for recording purposes only. Very nice, especially when recording vocals with a supporting hall effect on the monitor signal. By the way: In the entire test period, the beta version of the driver was 100% stable and the mixer software always worked flawlessly.

DSP with four horsepower sets - the new QUAD variant The Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII is twice as powerful - unlike the two previous models, the QUAD variant represents the highest level of design. You have up to four of the in-house DSP chips For UAD-2 plugins are available. This corresponds exactly to the computational performance, which we examined in the Universal Audio UAD-2 Satellite USB QUAD test. Complex projects with many individual lanes and several buses can be realized effortlessly. Very nice, for example with a sophisticated drum recording with separate dynamics effects & Co. for the drums and various tailor made effect chains for the group tracks. New: Monitoring with all chicanes New functions are added, which would otherwise have to be carried out by a dedicated monitor controller. The following features can be controlled via the now double-populated buttons on the Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII QUAD (when pressing the "Monitor" button): TALK talkback with the integrated microphone DIM reduction of the output level ALT - switch to a second pair of loudspeakers FCN -? MONO - Output in Mono MUTE - Muting the outputs New: Talkback The integrated talkback microphone allows easy communication with the musicians in the recording room. Or the recording of an audio commentary on a separate track in the DAW. This works super simply, sounds perfectly (see sound example below) and is particularly valuable with such a small device, because the two microphone inputs for the recording free. You just press the button TALK and you can talk in the microphone. It is located below the rotary control and outputs its signal directly to the output. Sound example: The internal talkback microphone

Scalability - the Apollo Family Band Major projects are possible: Increase the number of inputs and outputs as well as the computing power for the UAD plugins by linking several Apollos. Up to four Thunderbolt devices of the series - and up to six UAD-2 devices - can be connected behind or next to each other (»daisy chaining«). At the same time, you can use the Universal Apollo Twin MkII as a handy monitor controller (see above) for studious use.

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Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII review on 01/18/2017 Product: Universal Audio Apollo Twin MkII Manufacturer: Universal Audio Price: 1.299,00 Euro RRP (DE): 1.299,00 Euro

Conclusion
Compact Thunderbolt audio interface for Windows & Mac OS, with DSP chip ( S) for UAD plugins and Unison technology. The clearly improved second generation shines with new converters - the sound is outstanding. In addition there is a very low latency, a stable operation and a smooth operation of the newly added monitor controller functions, including talkback microphone. If you are looking for a small companion with exquisite sound and want to dive into the world of the DSP-supported plugins, now can strike even more. For professionals in the project and recording studio, as well as highly ambitious musicians, producers and singer-songwriters.

Key Features

Thunderbolt Audio Interface for Windows & Mac OS
Conversion with max. 24 bit & 192 kHz

Inputs
2 x Mic/Line (XLR/6,3 mm)
1 x Hi-Z (6,3 mm)
(TOSLINK) S / PDIF or ADAT (TOSLINK) for up to 8 channels

Outputs
4 x Line (6-pin / 4-pin) ,
3 mm) 1 x line for headphones (6.3 mm stereo)

4 DSP cores for UAD-2 plugins Recording with effects at unpredictable latency Unison technology for modeling classic preamps, amplifiers & amp modules
Integrated talkback microphone
Monitor- Remote control + controller for Mono, Mute, Dim and a second monitor pair
Licenses for classic UAD plug-in ("Realtime Analog Classics") via VST, RTAS & AAX 64
Also available as DUO or SOLO version with one or two DSP- Chips
Old 18th January 2017
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Very cool. Hopefully the old Twins will also get that functionality.
Don't think that will be possible as the MKII has a bigger display ti fit two lines of text as opposed to one on the MKI, and to me it looks like the text is fixed and then just back lit and not dynamic.
Old 18th January 2017
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I agree with other posters that they should've just doubled the DSP for the same price. However, that would involve practically admitting that their DSPs are outdated, which is a tricky minefield for manufactorors who use DSPs.
Well that's what they did when they released the Octo. Doubled the performance for the same price.
I guess the problem is that they don't have any new Satellites ready for release. So if they kept the same price structure for the Twins but doubled the performance then the Twin QUAD and the Satellite QUAD would be priced about the same, which wouldn't make sense.

I personally don't think the hardware is outdated. There are new chips with twice the performance of the current ones. And a DSP system is easily scalable so it's just a matter of adding more chips.
The pricing of the system belongs to the past, I'll agree to that.
Old 18th January 2017
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Well that's what they did when they released the Octo. Doubled the performance for the same price.
I guess the problem is that they don't have any new Satellites ready for release. So if they kept the same price structure for the Twins but doubled the performance then the Twin QUAD and the Satellite QUAD would be priced about the same, which wouldn't make sense.

I personally don't think the hardware is outdated. There are new chips with twice the performance of the current ones. And a DSP system is easily scalable so it's just a matter of adding more chips.
The pricing of the system belongs to the past, I'll agree to that.
Ah ok. So did do that before. When was this?
So now they can either do 16 core ones or go to the dual core chips, call it UAD-3 and effectively have the same product names.
A solo would be one chip, two cores.
An octo would be eight chips, 16 cores.
Effectively doubling performance for the same price, use the product naming scheme people are accustomed to.
I don't see that happening soon with the way they've priced these new interfaces.
That's the problem.

If UAD was originally a more affordable alternative to TDM. it seems to me, and I may be wrong, that its bang/buck ratio is getting closer to HDX. In fact, since you can get about four Octos for one HDX. Which system has more DSP power, for the same price? Is HDX not more cost effective now? (I don't know).
Old 18th January 2017
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I s anyone running an Apollo thunderbolt on an Asus Thunderbolt 2 card on windows? I just got the Twin USB but could return it and buy the MkII, if those cards work since my motherboard doesn't have native thunderbolt but can take the expansion thunderbolt card.

I'm definitely hesitant to bother with upgrading to Windows 10 and buying an expansion card all in the hopes that it's stable just to get better converters...
Old 18th January 2017
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I swapped to this motherboard a couple of months ago and it works well with my Apollos (individually, not cascaded yet) using the Startech TB3>TB2 adaptor.
I was thinking of getting that board too until i noticed that it is going to be discontinued before i get money for my PC build as it is starting to run out on every shop.
Old 18th January 2017
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Old 18th January 2017
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"Users of Apollo Twin MkII can combine up to four Apollos and six total UAD-2 devices — adding I/O and DSP as your studio grows. Once you expand your studio with an Apollo 8, 8p, or 16 rackmount unit, you can use Apollo Twin as a desktop monitor control while still tapping its additional I/O and DSP power."

It seems I need to buy another house if I want to continue to use their plugins,

virtual UAD tools take more and more physical space too.
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It seems I need to buy another house if I want to continue to use their plugins,

virtual UAD tools take more and more physical space too.
Just because you can doesn't mean you have to. My rig can run plenty of plugins and it fits in a backpack.

But it would actually be pretty cool if they could make it possible to use UAD with iPads.
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