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New Apollo Twin MkII Desktop Audio Interface for Mac and Windows Systems Now Shipping Audio Interfaces
Old 14th June 2017
  #331
UA please for the love of GOD....allow us Mac users without Thunderbolt to use the USB 3 version.......I want to buy one so bad, but I don't have thunderbolt....and I am not about to buy a new computer just to spend another 700-800 bucks for another interface......that would leave me with nothing to spend on plugins :(
Old 17th June 2017
  #332
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I love this ting, MKii, and record with it all the time. Love the unison plugs and enjoying the chandler amp one as well.

question i have is when i run a guitar or bass direct, with the chandler on an insert and say the NEVE on the input, the controller is orange but it "jumps" alot, its not a smooth rolling up or down and then when i just use say a NEVE on insert and a mic plugged in the back it rolls smoothly.

any idea why this is? im still learning it and also gain stagin with this and just cant figure it out

thanks
The 1073 has only a few coarse gain settings. It is not a continuous pot in the hardware. Thus the jumps!
Old 20th June 2017
  #333
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I have to say I am very happy with the Apollo Twin quad Mk2. The big thing for me is the real time tracking and the plugins are amazing. Stuff like the Unison plugins and A/DA STD-1, the RMX16 just by themselves are worth the price of admission. Completed a Mix with this and a couple of UA plugins, it makes life so much easier and they just sound fantastic. Anything that saves me time and makes my life easier is worth its weight in gold. HUGE productivity gains. its only 12:22 I am taking the rest of the day off

Amazing how you can replace a rack of hardware and associated workload into a box not too much bigger than my hand.

I can see why so many people rave about Universal Audio products.

Lots of changes coming, looks like Apollo interfaces are gonna start populating real quick!!!
Old 20th June 2017
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@ruju - I have a new MKii solo, and like you i only record me, mono. acoustic guitar and vocals. I am able to put a unison plug on just fine and a couple others if needed but i use the NEVE and API channel strip and that has all i need. sometimes i use the chandler guitar amp thing as well and i do run into trouble there if i use that on an insert with say a delay and reverb, but i dont use that much. i would say if your just going to worry about unison on the way in and NOT mix with UAD your fine with a solo. even with a duo, the reason i went with a solo is ia have an octo card UAD so mixing is fine and i just wanted unison on the way in.
Old 20th June 2017
  #335
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@ruju - I have a new MKii solo, and like you i only record me, mono. acoustic guitar and vocals. I am able to put a unison plug on just fine and a couple others if needed but i use the NEVE and API channel strip and that has all i need. sometimes i use the chandler guitar amp thing as well and i do run into trouble there if i use that on an insert with say a delay and reverb, but i dont use that much. i would say if your just going to worry about unison on the way in and NOT mix with UAD your fine with a solo. even with a duo, the reason i went with a solo is ia have an octo card UAD so mixing is fine and i just wanted unison on the way in.
so when you want to use uad plugins for mixing, they must run through the audio interface? They cant be run through the p.c. alone on the daw?
Old 20th June 2017
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so when you want to use uad plugins for mixing, they must run through the audio interface?
Yes - just get the Duo at the very least. You'll regret buying a solo.
Old 20th June 2017
  #337
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Yes, what reverb says. I have an octo so a single for me was fine. because i do mix with UAD and other plugs. If i didnt have the octo form back in the day when I had the symphony I would get the DUO so I could use more when mixing.

My point was, and I thought you were only wanting to track in with unison, that tracking in is fine with the solo, it handles what I need as a single mono source but not much more. Hope that helps
Old 23rd June 2017
  #338
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Somehow I ended up with 32 UA Plugins but damn they are a great set of tools. I went from a hardware guy to a lover of computer,using plugins and using this Apollo. BTW: I recieved some Stems that needed final mixing and used the Chandler Limited Curve Bender on a one of the tracks and it was such useful and productive tool, I call it the "De Muddler". The Apollo is Damn good **** and it is rock solid, working every day with it and it is just rock solid. I finally got over my barrier to going computer/software plugins.

we are ordering an Apollo 8p as well.

I am amazed at how far technology has gone. Love just being able to plug in the "Virtual HW", setting up the console, saving different console setups and then recalling the consoles as needed for different jobs etc.. No messing around with cables,dealing with gremlins,power loads etc..

Young folks have it made with all this power a their disposal.
Old 29th June 2017
  #339
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I just bought an Apollo twin mkii quad, more outputs?

Hi, is it possible to use old optical gear to expand the number of OUTPUTS on the new Apollo twin? Apparently I can buy more UAD stuff and chain the gear, but I'm looking for a less expensive option to expand outputs.

I do a multi-speaker installation kind of thing and I need lots of outputs.
Old 30th June 2017
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Hi, is it possible to use old optical gear to expand the number of OUTPUTS on the new Apollo twin? Apparently I can buy more UAD stuff and chain the gear, but I'm looking for a less expensive option to expand outputs.

I do a multi-speaker installation kind of thing and I need lots of outputs.
Unfortunately, no. The Twin has an optical input only.
Old 30th June 2017
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Hi, is it possible to use old optical gear to expand the number of OUTPUTS on the new Apollo twin? Apparently I can buy more UAD stuff and chain the gear, but I'm looking for a less expensive option to expand outputs.

I do a multi-speaker installation kind of thing and I need lots of outputs.
If you get the Black Lion Audio mod for the Apollo twin, you will get a digital output in addition to the other mods.
Old 30th June 2017
  #342
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If you get the Black Lion Audio mod for the Apollo twin, you will get a digital output in addition to the other mods.
This is interesting.

The only thing I do not like about the Twin is that it has that OPT in which I will never need anytime soon.
Old 30th June 2017
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This is interesting.

The only thing I do not like about the Twin is that it has that OPT in which I will never need anytime soon.
Yeah, the lack of a proper digital out and having no way to patch in outboard pre-ADC are two major downsides of using the Twin as your main interface.

On several occasions, I've considered switching it out for an iD22, but I would really miss the zero latency tracking.
Old 3rd July 2017
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so get the BLA mod then and you'll have digital out on your apollo twin
Old 5th July 2017
  #345
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Does the Twin MkII and Apollo16 have similar conversion on the DA side or is the Apollo16 significantly better?
Old 5th July 2017
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Does the Twin MkII and Apollo16 have similar conversion on the DA side or is the Apollo16 significantly better?
I haven't heard the Apollo 16 myself, but from everything I've read/seen, my understanding is it's marginal at best. I had the Twin MkI and now have the II and I can hear a step up across both AD/Pre's and DA. Crisper highs, a little more open and more depth. not a huge difference but definitely a step up.
Old 6th July 2017
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so get the BLA mod then and you'll have digital out on your apollo twin
I have no doubt the BLA mod is top notch, but assuming the Apollo's factory preamps & AD/DA are not quantifiably worse without the mod, that's an extra $450 for ADAT out, bringing the price of a Twin Solo up to $1150 — at that point, I'd probably spring for an Apollo 8 Duo or a Zen Tour instead.
Old 6th July 2017
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I thought you already had a apollo twin? Anyway, your choice. BLA has sales sometimes too.

And of course a rackmount Apollo > twin, but some of us actually prefer the compact form factor of the twin.
Old 8th July 2017
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Hi, is it possible to use old optical gear to expand the number of OUTPUTS on the new Apollo twin? Apparently I can buy more UAD stuff and chain the gear, but I'm looking for a less expensive option to expand outputs.

I do a multi-speaker installation kind of thing and I need lots of outputs.
ADAT out from your device should work and give you 8 extra. I used an DP88 connected via lightpipe and clock from the DP88. Also works on the Apollo 8p as well.
Old 8th July 2017
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I have no doubt the BLA mod is top notch, but assuming the Apollo's factory preamps & AD/DA are not quantifiably worse without the mod, that's an extra $450 for ADAT out, bringing the price of a Twin Solo up to $1150 — at that point, I'd probably spring for an Apollo 8 Duo or a Zen Tour instead.
I would go for the Quad. you end up using the plugins on the 8 inputs plus the 2 in the MkII and you want 4 DSP SHARCs for this.

Its well worth the money, I have simplified my remote studio bigtime. got rid of tons of extra cables and outboard stuff, less headaches etc..
Old 8th July 2017
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ADAT out from your device should work and give you 8 extra. I used an DP88 connected via lightpipe and clock from the DP88. Also works on the Apollo 8p as well.
Apollo TWIN has no optical outputs.
Old 8th July 2017
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Apollo TWIN has no optical outputs.
For some reason I thought he meant inputs. For that he would have to look at the Apollo 8 lineup.
Old 12th July 2017
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had a little fun pushing the board You can abuse the mastering chain and get some interesting results. I am really liking the Universal Audio stuff.


Old 22nd August 2017
  #354
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https://youtu.be/QPOiO0BLHy8
@Gannon, your thoughts?
Old 22nd August 2017
  #355
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Thanks for pointing this my way, JGM.

Interesting take on it. ;-)

Our value proposition is based around using the fixed input latency of the Console application. Marcel states correctly at 1:50 that the output latency is roughly the same with both interfaces.

Apollo's round trip latency through Console is just under 2 ms at 44.1k, no matter what the DAW buffer size is. It's 1.1 ms at 96k and again, that's fixed so you can run your DAW at whatever buffer size is comfortable for it.

As long as your computer can handle your sessions at 32 sample buffers, you can monitor through your DAW and probably be okay. But, when you start using heavy plug-ins or virtual instruments in the session, you'll start to see playback errors. That's where Apollo insulates you from your computer/DAW performance because the processing is all done in the interface on DSPs.

FPGAs are great traffic cops, but not so great for capturing non-linearities in plug-ins. They don't upsample and apply proper anti-aliasing filters to make your audio beautiful. And, while you can use them in a DAW for mixing, it's a lot harder than going to your plug-ins list and instantiating it.

Apollo comes with a great selection of free plug-ins that give you the tools you need to make a great recording - we believe in quality over quantity. I did a session with Joey Waronker and A.C Newman from the New Pornographers using only the free plug-ins and it was wonderful!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grME...=RDgrMECocTRY4

So, I guess I'm not sold on relying on low buffer sizes in the DAW to achieve reliable low-latency performance.

-GK
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Old 23rd August 2017
  #356
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Thanks for pointing this my way, JGM.

Interesting take on it. ;-)

Our value proposition is based around using the fixed input latency of the Console application. Marcel states correctly at 1:50 that the output latency is roughly the same with both interfaces.

Apollo's round trip latency through Console is just under 2 ms at 44.1k, no matter what the DAW buffer size is. It's 1.1 ms at 96k and again, that's fixed so you can run your DAW at whatever buffer size is comfortable for it.

As long as your computer can handle your sessions at 32 sample buffers, you can monitor through your DAW and probably be okay. But, when you start using heavy plug-ins or virtual instruments in the session, you'll start to see playback errors. That's where Apollo insulates you from your computer/DAW performance because the processing is all done in the interface on DSPs.

FPGAs are great traffic cops, but not so great for capturing non-linearities in plug-ins. They don't upsample and apply proper anti-aliasing filters to make your audio beautiful. And, while you can use them in a DAW for mixing, it's a lot harder than going to your plug-ins list and instantiating it.

Apollo comes with a great selection of free plug-ins that give you the tools you need to make a great recording - we believe in quality over quantity. I did a session with Joey Waronker and A.C Newman from the New Pornographers using only the free plug-ins and it was wonderful!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grME...=RDgrMECocTRY4

So, I guess I'm not sold on relying on low buffer sizes in the DAW to achieve reliable low-latency performance.

-GK
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Thanks for the quick and thoughtful reply Gannon.
And to be clear, I'm not sure if the voice on the video is Marcel, as I copied the video from another GSer's post.
But be that as it may I think the comparison is disingenuous as your explanation clearly indicates, it not quite apples to apples.
I have a Pure2 that I think is great, but based on everything I've seen/read re Antelopes' interfaces, I wouldn't trade any of my Apollo Quad SF's for one of there's.
Too many firmware issues.
One thing about Apollos for the vast majority of the time Apollos are pretty much 'plug and play' (even the updates) and I enjoy that.
Old 23rd August 2017
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I also noted at around :50 in where he says "it's quite a competitive format for us" - is this person from Antelope, or an independent mastering house?
Old 23rd August 2017
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I also noted at around :50 in where he says "it's quite a competitive format for us" - is this person from Antelope, or an independent mastering house?
The poster's name is Gutz. I'm not sure if the poster and or the person in the video are affiliated with Antelope or not.
Old 23rd August 2017
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The poster's name is Gutz. I'm not sure if the poster and or the person in the video are affiliated with Antelope or not.
Yes, but the Youtube post is from Marcel James, who is director of marketing at Antelope. :-)

-GK
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Old 23rd August 2017
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Yes, but the Youtube post is from Marcel James, who is director of marketing at Antelope. :-)

-GK
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Seems to me he should indicate that - seems a little disingenuous...
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