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Old 14th August 2019
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@ JCRob . I bought a Red4Pre about a year ago. It's been rock solid on a 2012 Mac Mini, 2013 15" MacBook Pro, 2016 15" MacBook Pro, and i9-9900k Hackintosh.
This was via thunderbolt. I've never had a crack/pop, dropouts, or any other issues with this interface. 18 tracks drums on MacMini, 96k, buffer 32 and 64 - perfect.
I can't remember latency exactly at 96k, but I tested at 192k and Logic reported .8 ms roundtrip. No real tracking at this sample rate though - just tests.
I've also used DVS (Dante Virtual Soundcard) without issues on Windows and Mac, but Thunderbolt only on Mac. Have not used Digilink.

Apologies, Ive ran out of time to comment on conversion/preamps. Short answer though. Conversion definitely better. I can only say the preamps sound good, clean and have plenty of gain for mics that need it - SM7/RE20/BeyerM260/ for example.

Id' be happy to elaborate after work if it helps. Or PM you as well.

BTW, 2nd post on GS. Haha!

-Bill
Thanks for the reply Rick!! Awesome community here so happy your 2nd post is for me!!
It’s great news, and would like to know more if/when you can. For me is a thing of maybe “sacrificing” the comfort of having 8 preamps with the Clarett 8pre for connecting a Yammha module, Axe Fx, REDDI, Mics and having a spare channel for other peripherals. But if is noticeably better, then the offer might be very good for me.

Thanks again!
Old 14th August 2019
  #242
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My guess is you would be pretty happy with the 4Pre. The only downside I see is that the Rednet works a little differently then the focusrite control app, and if you were using this for custom headphone mixes, the Rednet app doesn't let you name each source or mix on the app.

I think this is a pretty big drawback and hopefully focusrite will update the Rednet app so you can name everything and have it show up with those names on the iOS app.

Also, I get a lot more "waiting for device to reconnect" from the ios app and then it fails to connect and you have close and reopen the app to get back into it. This happens for me pretty consistently if I turn the screen off, then reopen it. After that it will only reconnect if you close and reopen the app.
Thanks Ryan as well!

The Rednet with the Dante exp. is a great addition, and I’m a noob in that area, ‘though I’ve been working with the Presonus RML stage mixers and controllers...

On the other hand, it’s been impossible for me to hear some audio examples of that unit against other big names, so thank you very much for taking the time to reply!
Old 15th August 2019
  #243
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Just to note @ RyanC you can rename mixes and sources in RedNet Control when using a Red.

To rename a Mix, go to the Custom Mixes tab, select a Mix from the right sidebar and then double-click the name in the middle of the screen.

To rename an input/playback source, double-click just above the pan slider (by default it'll show a number in that box). This name change will show up in the FC iOS app as well.

If anyone on this thread needs any further information about the Reds (or any of our other products for that matter) then please feel free to get in touch with us directly: https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/requests/new

Best,
Jack
Old 15th August 2019
  #244
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Just to note @ RyanC you can rename mixes and sources in RedNet Control when using a Red.

To rename a Mix, go to the Custom Mixes tab, select a Mix from the right sidebar and then double-click the name in the middle of the screen.

To rename an input/playback source, double-click just above the pan slider (by default it'll show a number in that box). This name change will show up in the FC iOS app as well.
Oh nice....I was trying to rename the actual source, didn't get that spot there.

Any ideas on the FC control app not wanting to reconnect?
Old 16th August 2019
  #245
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@ RyanC - we're aware of a problem that causes the iOS app to disconnect if you lock the iOS device for a short length of time, that's not specific to your setup. I don't have a timescale for a fix at the moment I'm afraid so for the time being I'd recommend turning off the option to auto-lock the iOS device, at least while you're in a session using the app.

Best,
Jack
Old 17th August 2019
  #246
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@ RyanC - we're aware of a problem that causes the iOS app to disconnect if you lock the iOS device for a short length of time, that's not specific to your setup. I don't have a timescale for a fix at the moment I'm afraid so for the time being I'd recommend turning off the option to auto-lock the iOS device, at least while you're in a session using the app.

Best,
Jack
Ok great, thanks Jack
Old 25th February 2020
  #247
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Hello @ JackFocusrite or maybe @ octatonic (or anyone else or knows)-

Are we supposed to be able to remote control the red 8pre/4pre/16line over the network?

I have a red 8pre in the live room, and another in one control room, and now another in the 2nd control room. When I open the Rednet app, I can see all the interfaces on the network on the left, but I'm not able to add them to a tab and see/control them. On one computer I get the message "connect via TB", and on the other it's just blank. I thought this was going to be possible when it changed from Focusrite Control to the Rednet app. It does look like the device save option might store settings for selected remote units.

Anyway got the Dante all working, smooth sailing there. In my setup I can remote control them with screen sharing as all the units will be connected to computers via TB.

Thanks in advance.

Last edited by RyanC; 25th February 2020 at 06:27 PM..
Old 25th February 2020
  #248
Hello, I know there have been a few software updates to the red 4 and 8 pres. Curious if the output and input levels are still different? Thanks
Old 25th February 2020
  #249
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Originally Posted by RyanC View Post
Hello @ JackFocusrite or maybe @ octatonic (or anyone else or knows)-

Are we supposed to be able to remote control the red 8pre/4pre/16line over the network?

I have a red 8pre in the live room, and another in one control room, and now another in the 2nd control room. When I open the Rednet app, I can see all the interfaces on the network on the left, but I'm not able to add them to a tab and see/control them. On one computer I get the message "connect via TB", and on the other it's just blank. I thought this was going to be possible when it changed from Focusrite Control to the Rednet app. It does look like the device save option might store settings for selected remote units.

Anyway got the Dante all working, smooth sailing there. In my setup I can remote control them with screen sharing as all the units will be connected to computers via TB.

Thanks in advance.
You cannot remote control the Red devices via Rednet Control over the network.
Old 26th February 2020
  #250
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You cannot remote control the Red devices via Rednet Control over the network.
Ah, bummer. I guess if they did enable that, people would buy the Reds instead of the Rednets...
Old 26th February 2020
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Ah, bummer. I guess if they did enable that, people would buy the Reds instead of the Rednets...
I don't think that is it.
I believe it is a technical concern, Rednet Control works over Thunderbolt with the Red devices and it is a non-trivial amount of work to do it any other way.
This is a guess, I don't work for Focusrite, but I have worked for other manufacturers.

Very rarely does a company intentionally inconvenience their customer in order to get them to buy a more expensive product, because it usually backfires and alienates the customer base.

Red and Rednet are really for different customers, although there is some crossover.
People like me, and I assume you too, need hardware monitoring.
Rednet doesn't do that, and is really targeted at those needing higher channel counts. I would expect that the Red product line was developed (remember it was after Rednet was made) in order to capture those customers that Rednet doesn't.

I'm sort of at the point of needing to use another primary interface- I am all out of Dante channels on the Red 16 Line and need something that can do 64 channels of Dante. I'm looking at the Avid MTRX and MTRX Studio, although I haven't decided yet. If Focusrite released a Red interface with more Dante channels I'd be all over it.

I wrote an article for Pro Tools Expert recently the shows my workflow with these devices:

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/pro...m-sized-studio
Maybe some folks might get something out of it.

Last edited by octatonic; 26th February 2020 at 10:49 AM..
Old 26th February 2020
  #252
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Hi @ RyanC

As @ octatonic mentioned, I'm afraid that you can't control the settings on a Red via the network, a Thunderbolt connection is required.

You CAN control the Red remotely via our Focusrite Control iOS app, providing the Red is connected to a system over Thunderbolt that is connected to the same WiFi network as your iOS device.

@ szyam - I believe you're referring to the Red 4Pre/8Pre having differing maximum input and maximum output levels? If that's the case then please bear in mind that this is part of the hardware design, it's not software related. If you need matching maximum input and output levels then the Red 16Line would be your best bet.

Best,
Jack // Focusrite Tech Support
Old 26th February 2020
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I don't think that is it.
I believe it is a technical concern, Rednet Control works over Thunderbolt with the Red devices and it is a non-trivial amount of work to do it any other way.
This is a guess, I don't work for Focusrite, but I have worked for other manufacturers.
Fair enough, I wasn't being too serious there...

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Very rarely does a company intentionally inconvenience their customer in order to get them to buy a more expensive product, because it usually backfires and alienates the customer base.
Cough, cough... Avid?

Did you consider the Digiface Dante for more channels? It has totalmix+ and 256 Dante channels. You could use a mac mini as a 'head' for the 16Line and control it's routing via screen sharing. MTRX looks great, but you can buy a whole lot of Rednet for that price!

My setup is a multi-room, multi-op music stuido. So the big room can be used by itself as a one room studio, production/writing space, pre-pro rehearsal etc. But with the Dante and video connecting all the rooms they can be combined together for larger sessions.
Old 26th February 2020
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Did you consider the Digiface Dante for more channels? It has totalmix+ and 256 Dante channels. You could use a mac mini as a 'head' for the 16Line and control it's routing via screen sharing. MTRX looks great, but you can buy a whole lot of Rednet for that price!

My setup is a multi-room, multi-op music stuido. So the big room can be used by itself as a one room studio, production/writing space, pre-pro rehearsal etc. But with the Dante and video connecting all the rooms they can be combined together for larger sessions.
That isn't going to work for me- I'm on a new Mac Pro and I have HDX.
I need more channels for Dante to expand my primary IO and add machines and my analogue hardware on inserts.

Cost isn't a primary issue- functionality is- the Red interfaces give me nearly everything I need, other than enough Dante channels.
The MTRX would have me lose Thunderbolt connectivity but I could always AUX the Red 16 Line into spare Dante channels on the MTRX for the native stuff I do, about 50% of my work.
Old 26th February 2020
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That isn't going to work for me- I'm on a new Mac Pro and I have HDX.
I need more channels for Dante to expand my primary IO and add machines and my analogue hardware on inserts.

Cost isn't a primary issue- functionality is- the Red interfaces give me nearly everything I need, other than enough Dante channels.
The MTRX would have me lose Thunderbolt connectivity but I could always AUX the Red 16 Line into spare Dante channels on the MTRX for the native stuff I do, about 50% of my work.
Ah, gotcha. You're needing to record or use inserts for more than 32ch over dante simultaneously? Just curious because that's a lot of channels...If not, you could store dante presets with different routings no?

I'm just learning the dante controller functions so mostly just a point of curiosity. I can see that having just one routing setup in dante controller, with all the I/O named consistently could be worth it...

If you would still be limited to 32ch for the native setup with the MTRX and 16Line, could you just use 2 16Lines each with one digilink connected (and only one with TB)? Or add a Rednet HD32R?

I'm sure you've considered all these options. I'm talking out loud a bit here in thinking about what things I can do in the future.
Old 27th February 2020
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Did you consider the Digiface Dante for more channels? It has totalmix+ and 256 Dante channels.
Digiface Dante only has 64 channels of Dante (64 in and 64 out).

When RME refers to it as a 256-channel Audio interface then it's because it has 64 Dante ch. in, 64 Dante ch. out, 64 MADI ch. in and 64 MADI ch. out, adding up to 256 channels. And remember that these channel numbers are based on 1fs.
Old 27th February 2020
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Ah, gotcha. You're needing to record or use inserts for more than 32ch over dante simultaneously? Just curious because that's a lot of channels...If not, you could store dante presets with different routings no?

I'm just learning the dante controller functions so mostly just a point of curiosity. I can see that having just one routing setup in dante controller, with all the I/O named consistently could be worth it...

If you would still be limited to 32ch for the native setup with the MTRX and 16Line, could you just use 2 16Lines each with one digilink connected (and only one with TB)? Or add a Rednet HD32R?

I'm sure you've considered all these options. I'm talking out loud a bit here in thinking about what things I can do in the future.
I have a lot of outboard gear and I need to be able to call it all up as insert effects and want to buy more.
You can't control multiple Red 16 Lines from a single computer.
I could expand the Red 16 Line via ADAT but it makes clocking a pain, Dante is great because it follows the master and you don't have to mess with anything, no wordclock.

I am already doing working with Rednet control saved configs, it requires maintenance and I am always enabling and disabling Dante channels. It slows me down.
I have everything on 4x 96 way TT bays to so I can patch in the analogue realm, that also requires maintenance.

If I can throw some money at an MTRX to make that all stop then fine- not my preferred course of action but it might be necessary.
I'd rather stay in the Focusrite ecosystem because I like it, I can flick between Thunderbolt native and HDX, it isn't hugely expensive and sounds good but I'd need Focusrite to make a Red device with 64 (or more channels of Dante), I'd then buy a couple more A16R's.

My current thought is a full fat MTRX is the fewest number of compromises, but the most expense. Also it removes the issue with hardware inserts and the Red/Rednet emulating an Avid interface but being off by a few samples with latency reporting. I currently can't use any hardware inserts in parallel because of this. It isn't a big deal- the new Mac Pro is a beast and I can do all my parallel compression in the box but I'd like to have the option.

Last edited by octatonic; 27th February 2020 at 11:24 AM..
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