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TBProAudio releases AB_LM - Loudness Match and Gain Staging Plugin for Windows and Ma Equalizer Plugins
Old 22nd June 2017
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Size doesn't matter to me. But you could, of course, make a GUI that can expand and diminish.
Right. We will consider this, thanks!
Old 29th June 2017
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Looked into loudness matching plugins today and looked into this one because it was a better value than some of the others out there. WOW. A lot of the wow comes from the concept of loudness matching, but the plugin did all the work, and was pretty easy to use. I worked on a mix for a week and had several things on the master bus. The mix came out pretty good but I knew there were flaws. I demod this plug and was able to improve that mix at least 3 fold within an hour. It really goes to show how fooled I was by loudness. I've read some people say the gain can be off by some fractions of a DB, but even if it is the majority of the matching was there enough to really shape the mix properly. I was able to not only make the mix more dynamic and smooth, but I was also able to retain the loudness level I had on the original mix. Unbelievable. This is a game changer for me. Purchased and ready get into some mixes!
Old 29th June 2017
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Looked into loudness matching plugins today and looked into this one because it was a better value than some of the others out there. WOW. ...
Thank you very much for your great feedback
Old 29th June 2017
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I'm having a little trouble understanding the more advanced features of the plugin. I have tried reading this entire thread and the manual but still am confused, I'm hoping you can help me with a particular example.

Let's say I open up an old mix and want to clean it up a bit now that I have this plugin. For the sake of example let's say I have three plugins on the master bus, an EQ going into a compressor going into a limiter. Now setting the limiter would be easy because I can place AB_LM around just that limiter and match the loudness to the preFX signal and not have to worry about the signal level going into another plugin because it is the last in the chain. After tweaking the limiter, let's say I wanted to go backwards now and work on the compressor before it. If I place AB_LM around the compressor only, how can I set it up so the output gain of the compressor stays where it's at so it doesn't affect the amount of signal going into the limiter? Does matching the preFX signal to the original output level of the compressor actually change the amount of signal going into the compressor? Or does it just change how loud we hear it so we can affectively match? I'm afraid I try to match the preFX loudness to the original output level of the plugin, that it will change the ACTUAL level going into the compressor, which is undesirable because it doesn't allow me work on the original signal properties.

Also, whenever I try to hit the match button on preFX side, Pro Tools 12.5.0 crashes. Is there a fix for that?
Old 30th June 2017
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Also, whenever I try to hit the match button on preFX side, Pro Tools 12.5.0 crashes. Is there a fix for that?
Fixed with new version 1.4.8.
Old 30th June 2017
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Fixed with new version 1.4.8.
Where can I find 1.4.8? The website shows the latest version is 1.4.7..
Old 30th June 2017
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Where can I find 1.4.8? The website shows the latest version is 1.4.7..
Download section, just refresh your browser
Old 30th June 2017
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Download section, just refresh your browser
Thank you for the prompt support! That's a great quality in a business. Makes me want to check out some of your other products now!
Old 30th June 2017
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Thank you for the prompt support! That's a great quality in a business. Makes me want to check out some of your other products now!
Thank you!
Old 30th June 2017
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Let's say I open up an old mix and want to clean it up a bit now that I have this plugin. For the sake of example let's say I have three plugins on the master bus, an EQ going into a compressor going into a limiter. Now setting the limiter would be easy because I can place AB_LM around just that limiter and match the loudness to the preFX signal and not have to worry about the signal level going into another plugin because it is the last in the chain. After tweaking the limiter, let's say I wanted to go backwards now and work on the compressor before it. If I place AB_LM around the compressor only, how can I set it up so the output gain of the compressor stays where it's at so it doesn't affect the amount of signal going into the limiter?
With default settings (match mode == Auto) compressor input loudness equals to compressor output loudness, regardless what the compress does.

On top of it you can match the compressor input loudness with help of PreFX gain match with a certain reference level (e.g. -18 dBFS or 0 VU). In this case compressor input loudness == compressor output loudness == -18 dBFS. But please note that match mode “Auto” is only useful during evaluation of different wrapped plugin settings. If you are mixing, just switch match mode to “Manual”, and match PostFX gain once.

As you can see AB_LM could help you to work with a constant level (e.g. -18 dBFS) across several plugins. Just wrap each plugin, match PreFX to -18 and match manually PostFX gain to diff 0 dB.

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Does matching the preFX signal to the original output level of the compressor actually change the amount of signal going into the compressor? Or does it just change how loud we hear it so we can affectively match? I'm afraid I try to match the preFX loudness to the original output level of the plugin, that it will change the ACTUAL level going into the compressor, which is undesirable because it doesn't allow me work on the original signal properties.
As said, output level is matched to input level (default settings), so input level is not touched.
But if you enable “Inverse”, input level is matched to output level, so input level is changed.

I hope this helps :-)
Old 30th June 2017
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With default settings (match mode == Auto) compressor input loudness equals to compressor output loudness, regardless what the compress does.

On top of it you can match the compressor input loudness with help of PreFX gain match with a certain reference level (e.g. -18 dBFS or 0 VU). In this case compressor input loudness == compressor output loudness == -18 dBFS. But please note that match mode “Auto” is only useful during evaluation of different wrapped plugin settings. If you are mixing, just switch match mode to “Manual”, and match PostFX gain once.

As you can see AB_LM could help you to work with a constant level (e.g. -18 dBFS) across several plugins. Just wrap each plugin, match PreFX to -18 and match manually PostFX gain to diff 0 dB.



As said, output level is matched to input level (default settings), so input level is not touched.
But if you enable “Inverse”, input level is matched to output level, so input level is changed.

I hope this helps :-)
Well it's not immediately clear, but I will study your explanation and try to implement it. To be honest I won't need to use this plugin to back track mixes very often, as moving forward I will build the mix using the plugin.. so I will have made good decisions from the start. Thank you for taking the time to explain, I appreciate it.
Old 1st July 2017
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I wish there was a simpler version of this plugin. One that automatically matches input volume to output volume, and the only parameter to adjust should be the time constant. Preferably at half the price or free.

This is all I need to avoid getting fooled by plugins increasing volume without improving the sound as such.
Old 11th August 2017
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This is a must have plugin, if you don't want to go the manual route. A video tutorial that answers some of the above questions is a good idea. kudos to tbproaudio.
Old 7th April 2018
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Update to 1.5.0
- NEW: GUI
- NEW: delta monitoring (sender receiver difference signal)
- NEW: global activate/deactivate, match mode, ABFX, drive and delta monitoring (shift mouse click)
- PostGain: stored automatically

Old 14th April 2018
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Update to V1.5.1:
- Fix: Min/Max pre-gain/gain limits extended to -/+144 dB
- Fix: Meter display Post FX gain changed to exact opposite of Post FX diff
Old 19th April 2018
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What is Delta Monitoring in layman's terms?
Old 19th April 2018
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What is Delta Monitoring in layman's terms?
Delta monitor lets you listen to the difference of the signal before the sandwiched plug-in minus the signal signal after.
This mode monitors directly the impact of your plug-in on the audio signal.
Old 18th August 2018
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Question...

Do most users use this plugin to set level matching pre/post fx... and then leave it on the chain permanently for mixing? Or is it used to check levels as a guide for setting correct input/output in the plugin chain overall, and then removed once the levels get to where you want them? Or are both ways correct? Is there an advantage to using it alway on versus a temporary check, or vice versa?

Thanks.
Old 19th August 2018
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What are peoples settings for best dialling in compressors?
Old 19th August 2018
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Question...

Do most users use this plugin to set level matching pre/post fx... and then leave it on the chain permanently for mixing? Or is it used to check levels as a guide for setting correct input/output in the plugin chain overall, and then removed once the levels get to where you want them? Or are both ways correct? Is there an advantage to using it alway on versus a temporary check, or vice versa?

Thanks.
both: some use it just for fx checking (louder is better) and remove/bypass AB_LM later, some use it permanently for gain staging. So, no specific advantages, just a matter of taste.
Old 19th August 2018
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What are peoples settings for best dialling in compressors?
Well, many people use the gain staging mode when dialling with comps, just to control the overall gain.

Also the delta monitoring mode is very useful: it lets you listen to what the comp does when it becomes active.

I hope it helps .-)
Old 20th August 2018
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Well, many people use the gain staging mode when dialling with comps, just to control the overall gain.

Also the delta monitoring mode is very useful: it lets you listen to what the comp does when it becomes active.

I hope it helps .-)
Sorry I should have been more specific, i meant which algorithm (rms/128) to use and what ballpark reaction time to use.
Old 20th August 2018
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Sorry I should have been more specific, i meant which algorithm (rms/128) to use and what ballpark reaction time to use.
RMS SUM Metering, 3000ms Window should be good start, as it ignores the sharp transients.

Increase or decrease the Window parameter to your needs.
Old 21st September 2018
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Update 1.6.0:
- Measurement Methods: max peak level added (please review your settings if upgrading old projects)
- Delta Monitoring: works now with all match modes and AB switch (see manual for more details)
- GainStaging: show negative Post-FX gain values for positive Pre-FX/Drive values
- GUI: small fixes
- AAX: fix rounding int values
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