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Old 21st April 2007
  #181
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Gawd! This is awful!

Just curious: Have you done the firmware update as well?
Old 21st April 2007
  #182
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there´s a new "plop" when loading a duende-used project into nuendo...

it´s so unstable, i can´t believe it. tried it on my mac too, but the same...

i´m only working @96khz cause my mastering studio want it to be.

even on 44,1 it´s not really stable.
Old 21st April 2007
  #183
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spencer the rove View Post
I have been anticipating the driver update as much as anyone here - I am fed up with the glitching! I've just updated the firmware and drivers and I'm afraid to say everything is much worse!!
I am mixing 3 albums and a single (deadline was yesterday for the single) and have been telling my clients it'll be worth the wait for the new driver, which will make everything amazing. Now I don't know what to tell them and I'm very angry I've spent a huge amount of money on this thing - I just don't know what to do!

FYI my machine is a dual 2Ghz G5, OS 10.4.8 and Logic 7.2.3. I bought a belkin FW card and am running the Duende from that - as SSL made everyone buy a dedicated FW card why not just make the Duende a PCI breakout box in the first place?

Can anyone suggest anything - things are getting desperate now, I want my Mum!

Cheers
**** man...I feel sorry for you :(
I have a G5, dual 1.8 and my Duende is stable? (I didn't install the newest drivers yet) I have some problems that Logic Pro 7 does not recognize the Duende being ON (when loading a previously made song) but that's all...

So your problems got WORSE with the new drivers?
Old 21st April 2007
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Hey guys, to all that have upgraded and installed drumstrip...


1. Should I upgreade my driver version? (I hear/ see a lot of complaints, or is it ok now?)
2. Any problems with drumstrip?

Cheers

Bjorn
Old 21st April 2007
  #185
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All is working fine with me but judging from all the other posts I guess I would wait awhile before updating.....

better safe than....... you know...
Old 21st April 2007
  #186
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frustrating huh...

But the drumstrip is safe right? Then I will do that tomorrow (rather RIGHT now but I just got home from two days of music and I guess my wife needs me too on a Saturday night.......women.....
Old 21st April 2007
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uhhmmm..... I don't think you can install the drumstrip without updating the software and drivers. tutt

It's one install file and I don't remember getting an option.
Old 21st April 2007
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I have just mentioned the problems to the product manager of SSL ( he e-mailed me because of my problems with the SSL customer service, as in 'no service' so big thumbs up for that
I hope they will do something about it...

I really really really really, did I say REALLY, want to check out the drumstrip, but I don't want to make my Duende unstable by installing new drivers.....
Old 21st April 2007
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Originally Posted by chymer View Post
Hey, did someone say Drumstrip was running in soundscape????????
CHymer
No, I was just asking (or hoping) for it! heh
Yeah, the SSL EQ for Soundscape rocks.

Hey Duende guys, what about the Drumstrip sound?
Old 21st April 2007
  #190
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uhhmmm..... I don't think you can install the drumstrip without updating the software and drivers. tutt

It's one install file and I don't remember getting an option.
Hey Lordward. Let's say I am just TOO curious, and I install the 2.0 plus drumstrip...is there a way back? I am pretty new to the Mac, so my knowledge about getting it back again is not too big I could maybe uninstall everything and install the original drivers of the Duende, but I am pretty sure there is a better way..?
Old 21st April 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DWINC View Post
Hey Lordward. Let's say I am just TOO curious, and I install the 2.0 plus drumstrip...is there a way back? I am pretty new to the Mac, so my knowledge about getting it back again is not too big I could maybe uninstall everything and install the original drivers of the Duende, but I am pretty sure there is a better way..?
I have the same question (though I'm on a PC). My Duende w/SONAR (plus 4 UAD-1 cards, Tascam FW-1884, FE-8, plus an MBOX 2 Pro) is rock solid. I am scared to upgrade. Is there a way to back out if the upgrade hoses me?

PS - Duende + Novation Remote SL ROCKS! I created my own template that *I* find very intuitive...SSL sound with real knobs, buttons and sliders...WOOHOO! heh

PPS - Does drumstrip 'color' the sound with SSL goodness, or is it just a good tool for bending and shaping?
Old 22nd April 2007
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Quote:
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So your problems got WORSE with the new drivers?
Yes, initially... As soon as I upgraded I opened up the Logic arrangement for the single I'm mixing - it has always behaved badly despite bouncing lots of ssl'd tracks to attain a little more DSP headroom. It was stuttering and phasing and glitching more than ever! I tried an offline bounce and not one bar was in phase.....then I posted here with my woes.

But I must take some of my criticism back - I then loaded up some other projects and playback was immaculate. Then I went back to the problem song, took all the Duende plugs off, then put them back one by one (what a treat!) and now it's playing back OK - not pristine but I have to say - better - than before.

So, although it's not perfect I have to say it does seem to be a lot lot better- thanks SSL and sorry for badmouthing you earlier, I really felt my livelihood was on the line - scary!
Old 22nd April 2007
  #193
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Havent notice any difference myself with the v2 software on my pc setup. Still running pretty well at 88k even with all dsps maxed although occasionally I will get a chan overload in Reaper.

Drumstrip sounds fantastic, really nice sound to it. I am sure you could do a similar thing with a multiple chain of individual plugs but this is great having everything in a single strip accessable via one GUI. More cool plugs like this please!!!

A guy called Zmix on the Duende forum had this to say about drumstrip tho....

Drumstrip

Uh....who beta tested this?

I am submititng the following to SSL support....

The plugin uses non 'linear phase' filters which leads to the following problems:

Output mix control very phasey in middle of range when using HF and LF enhancers.

The HF Enhancer will actually cancel high frequencies when mixed 50:50

Can we have a selectable 2nd/3rd or 1st/2nd order filter to correct this?

The plugin desperately needs a global polarity ø button.

At the moment, using the LF enhancer on a bass drum can introduce phase shifts which can cause cancellation in the low end when combined with other bass drums .

Listen Mic mix very phasey in middle of range when using "EQ In".

I am happy that there is an overall output mix control, because I very often want to blend a highly processed drum signal with itself, but it would be more useful if the Transient Shaper Audition button did not override the output mix control.



tom
Old 22nd April 2007
  #194
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@ Lordward

Hi,

Yes i did update to latest firmware and drivers.
By the way can you list out your PC specs especially your mboard brand and model.

Thanks

Frank
Old 22nd April 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DWINC View Post
Hey Lordward. Let's say I am just TOO curious, and I install the 2.0 plus drumstrip...is there a way back? I am pretty new to the Mac, so my knowledge about getting it back again is not too big I could maybe uninstall everything and install the original drivers of the Duende, but I am pretty sure there is a better way..?
I'm no mac specialist, I use mac almost only for internet (don't shoot me!) or for a bit of mobile work and when I'm working out of house in the "big" studios. I supposed if you delete the plugins from your plugin folder that you can just re-install the old plugins. I don't know how the driver situation works, sorry.

On XP all you need to do is set a restore point and uninstall then re-install the old drivers and software, this works for me when I need it.

Here's my System specs:

First of all I am mixing on Cubase SX 3.1.1 build 944
I also use Wavelab 5 (which is open most of the time when I mix)
I record on Soundscape 32
Also installed is Protools 7.1 for Mbox 2

Windows XP proffesional SP2
Mainboard: Asus P4C 800 E Deluxe (old and proven!!)
P4 3.2
2 x 512 mb kingston Ram
2x 160 gig WD sata drives

My PCI config is:

AGP Slot - Maxtrox Millennium G550
Slot #1 - Empty
Slot #2 - Magma Chassis interface (7 slot)
Slot #3 - Empty
Slot #4 - Soundscape Mixtreme soundcard (old as hell and still great!)
Slot #5 - FW interface (Via OHCI Compliant) which is EXACTLY the same specs as my onboard FW port

My Magma is holding 3 UAD1s in the first 3 slots and a Soundscape 32 interface in slot 5, soon to be holding another TC Powercore Mk2 (I hope!)

My Powercore FW is connect to my onboard FW port
My Duende is connected to my extra FW card
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I'm just finalizing my mixes after having installed the drivers 3 days ago. Nothing bad to report, all is very well. Not one crash, fart or crackle. I'm content!

I hope this info can help someone.
Old 22nd April 2007
  #196
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Ok, Iv'e just finished some testing.

System - Asus A8V Delux / AMD64 X2 / 2G RAM / Belkin PCI FW - Duende.

On board FW - Edirol FA-101 - DAC1

OS - XP Pro SP2 All latest Updates

DAW - Nuendo 3.1.1 build 944

Testing method

Recorded 16 stereo tracks and inserted 16 stereo channels

So far all good, in fact better, CPU performance = 0% used to get 3-4% with all DSPs maxed out.

Next - inserted on each channel in turn, an instance of Magneto (just for some load). All good.

Next - inserted on each channel in turn, an instance of Natural verb (More load) - All good.

CPU load upto about 40%.

In turn switched off each plugin and then switched them back on - All good.

Now, when I had previously loaded a track after upgradeing to V2 I had a system crash with errors complaining about directx plugs not releasing resources. (A0 Tape Echo). So I started inserting instances of A0 Tape Echo on all tracks. When I got to about 12, tracks 9 - 16 muted and their meters went full scale, but no sound was produced from tracks 9-16, well not that my beaten up ears could hear.

Onced I'd switched off a couple of A0s tracks 9-16 returned.

But, when closing the project I had the directx plugs not releasing resources (A0 Tape Echo) error.

So... I'm wondering if Duende's got a problem with Directx plugs??

This would be a shame 'cause I really like A0 Echo, but not as much as Duenumbsup

I'm going to try loading a few old projects, removing and re-inserting the Duende plugs to see if that helps as per spencer the rove's sugestion.

Anyway, Ta for listening, and how are the rest of you getting on (good or bad)? Keep posting.
Old 22nd April 2007
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I don't have a problem with DX plugs... I only use a couple but I use them often like the DB dynamics for SC gating and the Hyperprism Quasistereo...

It might be the plugin itself but not a DX issue.
Old 22nd April 2007
  #198
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Hi! Anybody using Duende with a Mac Pro 2.6 and Protools HD3 Accell?

Any success??
Old 22nd April 2007
  #199
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I don't have a problem with DX plugs... I only use a couple but I use them often like the DB dynamics for SC gating and the Hyperprism Quasistereo...

It might be the plugin itself but not a DX issue.
Could be, I don't use any DX plugs as rule but I needed a tape delay type thing and A0 was perfect (and free). Part of me wants it to be the plug but...

I'll check out soe other DX plugs to see if it happens with them.
Old 22nd April 2007
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This is good news...

I've just repeated the test subtituting each instance of A0 with a DX wrapped version of SSL LMC-1. - CPU at 45%, no glitching or dropouts just rock solid. I used to get stuttering if I disabled plugs on the fly. Now just get a short mute.

I've still yet to try some old projects, but other dodgey plugs could be the problem.

Heres hopeing
Old 22nd April 2007
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ok....

back.

My setup: G5, 1.8 dual, Logic 7.

No problems after installing the v2 drivers and drumstrip. But is it me, or does drumstrip dissapoint? I am reading the manual, twisting the knobs, but these things can be done by several other plug ins as well?

Don't shoot me, but that is my opinion so far, maybe I have a total other opinion after a whole night of mixing
Old 22nd April 2007
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Yeah, I think it's the kind of plug that really helps on a weaker track but could mess up a good track if over used... like %90 of most plugins I know!
Old 22nd April 2007
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yeah...to be honest...I can do all of this with the standard Duende plus some of my Logic plug ins...but maybe I am too soon with my conclusion..?


Is someone already convinced to buy Drumstrip?
Old 22nd April 2007
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The click upon playing back the first audio snippet in arrange is an old Logic Bug (which I have been suffering with for years - yeah, yeah, yeah - I know, Logic's **** and all that heh )

The way around it is inserting a little audio snippet on each track (I normally just use a vocal breath or something) before your actual track starts and let logic 'play through' that when you're off or on-line bouncing.
Old 24th April 2007
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Let me be among the 1st (or maybe the 3rd or the 20th) to say that the drumstrip, based on my very brief usage is a pretty amazing tool. I stand by my earlier complaint that the price is too high,but I will buy it...grudgingly. I realize that I can combine other tools to get these results, but I like the idea of consolidating. Plus, as someone who runs a small project studio, drums are a thorn in my side because of the natural limitations I am faced with.

I am mixing a project right now . I hesitated to install the new drivers/firmware. But, after a BSOD during the application of the Duende Stereo Channel to my Tom Bus, I decided it could not hurt! Although, honestly, I've had a very stable system up to now. *So far*, after a VERY brief session with the new drivers and firmware, I am still stable.

The point of this is to ask when the he11 I can buy the Drumstrip? The store is down for maintenance. I have 9 songs to mix by Wednesday. I can easily see exhausting my demo early tomorrow.

I hate to pile on, but it has been 1 thing after another. Granted, I'm not trying to be smug, but I find it very peculiar that an established, prosperous company like SSL can not get a store front up and running.

Will there be a (very quick) way to extend the demo if the store is not up soon? I have to imagine there are already a handful of people, like me, who really want this tool...their demo has expired and they have no way to buy it. Am I missing something?

Thanks!

PS - this was obviously written to solicit a response from poor, embattled Jim. I SINCERELY hope that the 'jabs' I've (and others) have taken at the company are not inclusive of him. In fact, he is their sole redemption, at this point.

PPS - I stand by my earlier statements that this plug-in is a one-trick-pony...and over priced (at the currently advertised price). But, it has won me over with it's wonderful functionality....so far.
Old 24th April 2007
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yeah...to be honest...I can do all of this with the standard Duende plus some of my Logic plug ins...but maybe I am too soon with my conclusion..?


Is someone already convinced to buy Drumstrip?
Yeah, I think you're too early to judge. I'm having trouble theorizing how Drumstrip does its job because it's not simply eq or compression - it seems to be adding harmonics and perhaps manipulating them - and Duende eq and compression can't get the same sound. The LF enhancer alone is worth the price of admission. I was able to get the world's largest kick drum seemingly without affecting the rest of the kit. Not simple additive eq, but something else. Whatever it's doing, I love it.

I was working with a drum kit that was very well recorded and played, so it's not just a plugin to repair mediocre recordings.

I'll be buying Drumstrip.

About Duende Ver2. - stable here. The GUI also seems to respond better.
Old 24th April 2007
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Yeah, I think you're too early to judge. I'm having trouble theorizing how Drumstrip does its job because it's not simply eq or compression - it seems to be adding harmonics and perhaps manipulating them - and Duende eq and compression can't get the same sound. The LF enhancer alone is worth the price of admission. I was able to get the world's largest kick drum seemingly without affecting the rest of the kit. Not simple additive eq, but something else. Whatever it's doing, I love it.

I was working with a drum kit that was very well recorded and played, so it's not just a plugin to repair mediocre recordings.

I'll be buying Drumstrip.

About Duende Ver2. - stable here. The GUI also seems to respond better.
That is nice to hear. After all, I ALSO hope for a good new plugin since we already own the Duende.

My problem is that I recorded pretty good drums in my drum booth, and when I was toying with the drumstrip, I couldn't get the kick 'wet' I have a lot of very loud music over here that I mix and master, and in the loud metal the kick has to be somewhat wet. And I can not get it that way (yet). But like I said...there is a good chance that my conclusion is a bit too soon, cos I rely a bit more upon a whole tech team at SSL then my own hasty conclusion after one hour of toying with it.

So.....I'll be baaak (Schwarzenegger pronounciation)
Old 24th April 2007
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Konichiwa from Tokyo

I'm out of the office this week, so I', a bit out of the loop on the webstore front. I'll make some enquiries, but it's always a bit slower than speaking to someone..... and as my cell phone doesn't work in Japan I'm a bit stranded.
Old 25th April 2007
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Well, it seems to be available to purchase from the store now.... But what happened to the first month special promotion, Jim? Thought it was gonna be a bit cheaper for first few weeks?

tom
Old 25th April 2007
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Just been on the SSL site and it says £199 *without* tax. Nowhere near the £127, eh?

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to leave it.
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