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mr scratchy esq 5th March 2015 09:34 PM

Nagra Seven as AD converter
 
Hello,

Just wanted to get some thoughts on the subject.

I am an "analog guy" and only convert to digital to make cds or mp3s from tape.
I do not do any digital mastering work (or claim to) :)

I have an old Nagra III that I sometimes use to record live shows etc. but I would like to be able to record for more than 30 min. w/o changing reels. I'd also like to be able to record band practices and other casual recordings that wouldn't eat up tape and put wear on my machines.

I also like the idea of being able to give clients a higher quality digital copy of a master tape than a CDR burned from my old Denon.

In a lot of ways the Nagra VII is probably overkill my my needs- but if the A/D converters are really great and nearly as good as stand alone ones in the 2K price range - this little unit might be a good choice for me.

Thanks in advance for any advice!
Bill

Earcatcher 6th March 2015 10:34 PM

Most Nagrists hide in the Remote Possibilities forum. Best to ask your question there.

mr scratchy esq 9th March 2015 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Earcatcher (Post 10873537)
Most Nagrists hide in the Remote Possibilities forum. Best to ask your question there.

thanks - could a moderator move this thread into the Remote Forum?

-Bill

Plush 9th March 2015 03:53 PM

If you want to record with the Nagra Seven, then it's a really great recorder. If you only need two channels of great a/d conversion, the Nagra is complete overkill. It would be a shame not to use it as intended--as a tape recorder.

May I suggest buying a really great two channel a/d converter such as a Mytek 192? That way you come in around $1000 instead of around $3500 (Nagra with case) and have a tool dedicated to what you really are aiming to do.


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mr scratchy esq 9th March 2015 07:25 PM

Thanks Plush,
I guess I really like the ability to do both with the Nagra- use it as a recorder and use it as an AD convertor. Yes, I am seduced by the appearance of it too- I love my Nagra III- although like I said I wish it had a longer record time w/o changing reels...

mr scratchy esq 10th March 2015 06:23 PM

Plush - In another thread I saw that you had first hand experience with quite a few dedicated A/D converters Forssell etc. How does the Nagra compare strictly as an A/D converter sound quality wise?

Swing 10th March 2015 07:30 PM

No surprise but I think Plush's comments are spot on.

I'll add that you might consider purchasing a used unit. Even the Nagra VI is sometimes "affordable" on the used market.

And you might consider some Sound Devices units. While I have a Nagra VI, I had a SD 702 for a period of time. I preferred the converters in the Nagra to the SD unit (but the round trip, AD and then DA, as I never isolated and compared the AD), but IMO they were not far apart. I've used some pretty high end stand alone converters and the converters in both the Nagra and the SD products are very good.

Last, if possible it is probably a good idea to try out the units before purchase.

Plush 11th March 2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mr scratchy esq (Post 10883098)
Plush - In another thread I saw that you had first hand experience with quite a few dedicated A/D converters Forssell etc. How does the Nagra compare strictly as an A/D converter sound quality wise?

Nagra Seven is a super high quality a/d converter. It is in a league far above the heavily advertised brands such as Lynx, Universal, Apogee etc.
It is useable to all high quality recording needs.

That said, the all in one solution that is the Nagra Seven is not made to represent or offer the same quality that one can get in the super converter category.

A super converter is one such as the Digital Audio Denmark AX24 or AX34; the Merging HAPI with premium cards. Here one pays tens of thousands of dollars to obtain the ultimate thinking in conversion. I own both of the above and am particularly impressed by the DAD conversion.

Mr. Scratchy--my advice is to please focus on what you REQUIRE. Do you require a new a/d converter? A new d/a converter? Do you need a two channel hard disk / card recorder??

I advise you to buy only what you REQUIRE.

mr scratchy esq 11th March 2015 02:55 PM

Thanks for the response.

Since I do not do any mastering I certainly do not need the absolute best in A/D (or D/A conversion). I do not want to spend more than 3K total for an AD converter and recorder.

As I mentioned before I would like a portable hi-res digital recorder because I want longer high quality recording time (without changing reels) than my Nagra III can provide.
I'm also starting to run out of shelf space from all the shows I've recorded on the III and it just makes more practical sense to have digital masters for documenting my band's shows and practices.

The only digital equipment I own is a Denon CDR recorder and a new iMac. I'd like to be able to create a better sounding digital copy of my analog master tapes. I like the fact the Nagra Seven can perform several functions that I need better than my existing equipment. I also like the fact that is excels in at least one category (as a stand alone 2 ch. recorder).

DarkSky Media 11th March 2015 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mr scratchy esq (Post 10885409)
Since I do not do any mastering I certainly do not need the absolute best in A/D (or D/A conversion). I do not want to spend more than 3K total for an AD converter and recorder . . .

It's my understanding that the converters and the mic amps in the Nagra VII are the same as those in the Nagra VI (which I own, though I haven't yet used the N7).

That being the case, I can confirm that the A/D conversion is superb and equal or beyond what you would expect to find in other professional machines with a similarly compact/portable footprint. By appearances, the Nagra VII also represents the excellent ergonomics and engineering that you'd expect from Nagra.

Given the requirements you've outlined (portable recorder *and* excellent conversion), I'd think this would be a great choice, provided you can fit it into your budget (they appear to go for around US$3.3K for the version without the time code option).

mr scratchy esq 9th April 2015 08:31 PM

Well I decided to go for it - the Nagra Seven will be hands tomorrow. :) It will also be a great 2-track back up to my ATR-102 for stereo mixdowns.