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recall 7th December 2006 05:10 PM

suggestions on small format broadcast desks?
 
Hi Guys,

I have noticed more and more people talknig about using broadcast desks with their DAW's. I think it would make sense for me to get a small format desk, with about 8-12 tracks.
I'm hoping to use it as mic pres on the way in and for summing and some sub group mixing.

I had my eye on some on ebay but none really fit the bill (audio developments,audix, etc).
I'm running a mainly mobile rig based round a powerbook and pro tools but am hoping to get my own space soon. I figure that where budget allows using the broadcast desk on longer album type location gigs wouldn't be too much of a drag to move around, and it would be beneficial, what with talkback extra pres etc.

So does anyone have recommendation for possibly overlooked names (and hopfully cheap!) and models which would suit?

Some basic 3 band eq would be cool and maybe sweepable mids if possible.

cheers

seaneldon 7th December 2006 05:11 PM

how much is "cheap" to you?

perun 7th December 2006 05:14 PM

Again... EMT or Pacific Research!

You can't miss the quality by getting them! Monsters!

recall 7th December 2006 06:50 PM

How cheap is cheap is the question!

I suppose about 500gbp, probably not enough really but we'll see.

cheers

recall 7th December 2006 08:09 PM

Any links to pacific and emt websites? I've googled them but haven't been able to find any official homepages

rufus13 7th December 2006 08:28 PM

deals in the UK
 
You may have some luck with Neve-built mid-1970's Calrec small console in portable case. I have an associate who owns one (ex-BBC World Service), and it's loaded with interesting-sounding parts.

I bet you pay less in Wales than he did in Los Angeles!

Karl

recall 7th December 2006 08:30 PM

The problem is here finding techs who can get things up and running!

perun 7th December 2006 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by recall (Post 1007661)
Any links to pacific and emt websites? I've googled them but haven't been able to find any official homepages

You should just Google up a little! There's no official sites there! Old good companies!

goldphinga 7th December 2006 11:14 PM

amek bc2 or bc3

RadioMoo 8th December 2006 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by recall (Post 1007661)
Any links to pacific and emt websites? I've googled them but haven't been able to find any official homepages

For Pacific Research, try googling "Harris" and "Pacific."

RadioMoo 8th December 2006 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by perun (Post 1007355)
Again... EMT or Pacific Research!

You can't miss the quality by getting them! Monsters!

I would vote for the forerunner to Pacific Research, which was called Pacific Recorders. Nice sounding analogue consoles, built like tanks.

Wheatstone/Audio Arts are great (the analogue ones), and Audiometrics is pretty good, too..

mltamisin 8th December 2006 06:24 AM

the BC series is pretty damn heavy. My BC3 feels like its 150-200 lbs. It has 16 mono and 4 stereo with 4 bus. Sounds nice though. Maybe you could find and even smaller one.

evilgrill 8th December 2006 10:32 AM

studer has been used in tv- and radio-studios all over europe for a long time. i got a 12 channel 089 from the dumpster outside a tv-station. perfect for DAW.

maybe you could send out e-mails to stations asking if they´re about to upgrade equipment. tell them what you´re looking for without being too specific. some of these people don´t have a clue about the value of old gear.

perun 8th December 2006 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioMoo (Post 1008319)
I would vote for the forerunner to Pacific Research, which was called Pacific Recorders. Nice sounding analogue consoles, built like tanks..

Yes they are. GREAT! I have full system at home... Pacific Recorders&Engineering PMX-28 (biggest frame, their best analog console) plus digital section on the right of it, fully automatized, with digital EQs, routing options and control for ADX-8, their built-like-tank HD recording/editing system!!! Offcourse, I own ADX, too... It really rocks, weights a ton and sounds great! So, together they make really rare and interesting system that sounds great, very big and punchy, pretty like our SSL in the studio... So, you just can not miss buying PRE... American Rolls.kfhkh

Cheers!


P.S. I wrote Pacific Research in previous post, but was thinking of the beast I have at home- Pacific Recorders & Engineering.

Phil Cibley 8th December 2006 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by perun (Post 1007355)
Pacific Research!



I think you mean Pacific Recorders

r0ck1r0ck2 8th December 2006 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by evilgrill (Post 1008776)
studer has been used in tv- and radio-studios all over europe for a long time. i got a 12 channel 089 from the dumpster outside a tv-station. perfect for DAW.

maybe you could send out e-mails to stations asking if they´re about to upgrade equipment. tell them what you´re looking for without being too specific. some of these people don´t have a clue about the value of old gear.


Up Yours!!

arrgh.!

nice find.

perun 8th December 2006 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Cibley (Post 1008930)
I think you mean Pacific Recorders


Read my last post above yours!mezed

dlmorley 12th October 2012 06:44 PM

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You can get Sony broadcast desks for peanuts and they actually sound great.
My MXP210 cost me £100 NEW.

Not mine, but the same...

Thomas W. Bethe 13th October 2012 12:18 PM

Lots of places have broadcast desks for very little money.

I bought two Audiotronics consoles from our local PBS station for $300. 12 inputs four outputs. One was a dog and had problems but I was able to salvage enough parts to make one good console. I used it for two years and then sold it to a friend.

I also bought a Wheatstone console for $200. It was missing a lot of channels so I sold off the parts on Ebay. Too bad it was in such bad shape I bet it was a really nice console at one time. Belonged to VOA.

There are lots of auction sites that deal with broadcast gear and many PBS and NPR stations have sales once a year to clear out their excess inventory.

A couple of years ago a good friend was working for a local TV station and they just gave him the old audio control board when they upgraded. I think it was a Sphere.

Best of Luck!

unclejoe 13th October 2012 02:21 PM

I have a Sony mxp61 in the UK that I would consider selling. I have never had the time to investigate it fully and it could probably use a service but it is all modular and built like a tank.

dlmorley 13th October 2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by unclejoe (Post 8351915)
I have a Sony mxp61 in the UK that I would consider selling. I have never had the time to investigate it fully and it could probably use a service but it is all modular and built like a tank.

Very nice desks..

unclejoe 13th October 2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dlmorley (Post 8351997)
Very nice desks..

So they say. I've never actually had a chance to use it! Its just been sat there for about 5 years. I'm all in the box these days.

OzGizmo 13th October 2012 10:58 PM

The Sony desks in their day were good but things have come a long way since then, even the modern Behringer or Mackie desks work better than an old Sony desk. (One feature the Sony desks had that is not often seen these days is they can be run from 12v DC which is great for location work).

The Allen & Heath ZED series work well as broadcast style desks.
ZED Series | ALLEN & HEATH // WORLD CLASS MIXING

dlmorley 14th October 2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OzGizmo (Post 8352887)
The Sony desks in their day were good but things have come a long way since then, even the modern Behringer or Mackie desks work better than an old Sony desk. (One feature the Sony desks had that is not often seen these days is they can be run from 12v DC which is great for location work).

The Allen & Heath ZED series work well as broadcast style desks.
ZED Series | ALLEN & HEATH // WORLD CLASS MIXING

I agree on the ZED, but the Sony's are better than ANY Mackie or Behringer I have seen (build quality is miles apart, Sony made in USA stuff is top notch)

Rolo 46 14th October 2012 10:43 AM

Sonosax SX desks are dropping in used price due to the multitrack/matrix recorders now on film sets.
These are the bees knees of portables.

0VU 14th October 2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OzGizmo (Post 8352887)
The Sony desks in their day were good but things have come a long way since then, even the modern Behringer or Mackie desks work better than an old Sony desk. (One feature the Sony desks had that is not often seen these days is they can be run from 12v DC which is great for location work).

The Allen & Heath ZED series work well as broadcast style desks.
ZED Series | ALLEN & HEATH // WORLD CLASS MIXING

I agree with dlmorley about the Sony desks being generally better built than any Mackie or Behringer. The MXP 61 was the "portable" unit in their serious/top range desk lineup and is up with the very best in build quality and sounds pretty good too. It was also available with some proper 'broadcast desk' features/options.

I'm slightly curious about what makes the A+H ZEDs "broadcast style"? I had a quick look at a few of them but couldn't see any fader start options, clean feed busses, comms or telco channels, facilities to listen to multiple external monitor inputs or to individually drive and talk to multiple pairs of speakers or headphones, nor any proper metering or other 'broadcast' specific facilities. Or anything else to mark them out as any more "broadcast desks" than any other fairly cheap non-modular compact mixer. Am I missing something or is 'broadcast desk' being used here as a bit more of a wide ranging definition than I'm used to?

radeng 14th October 2012 03:44 PM

Studer 961/962. Best portable broadcast boards ever built. Get the breakout box to avoid d-sub soldering. Operation/service manual is mandatory item or you are going to be scratching your head a lot.

Sound quality? Check out the early Telarc recordings.

unclejoe 14th October 2012 04:51 PM

I've just noticed the original post is from 2006!!!
I doubt the OP is still looking for a desk!
I might list mine on the classifieds, but I'm not sure for how much. It's a 12 into 2 VU version with the limiter on one of the outputs. Any thoughts?

king2070lplaya 15th October 2012 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by radeng (Post 8354209)
Studer 961/962. Best portable broadcast boards ever built. Get the breakout box to avoid d-sub soldering. Operation/service manual is mandatory item or you are going to be scratching your head a lot.

Sound quality? Check out the early Telarc recordings.

Or any of the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra/MTT Mahler cycle. The Tritonus guys mixed 36ch live through Studers to 2 tracks. great sound.