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blackacre 14th January 2015 11:40 PM

Neumann M49
 
Well the m7 capsule of my m49 finally gave out. Has anyone tried to buy an old Gefell m7 capsule as a replacement? Is it better to send it to neumann and get a kk47/49? Thiersh? Wagner?

DannyMac 14th January 2015 11:46 PM

Go for the Neumann - always better to get an original part if it's still available

Vintageidiot 15th January 2015 12:20 AM

I would suggest a reskin by Thiersch....but I do not have much experience other than owning an M7 Thiersch in my microphone.

blackacre 15th January 2015 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vintageidiot (Post 10720288)
I would suggest a reskin by Thiersch....but I do not have much experience other than owning an M7 Thiersch in my microphone.

Did you hear the mic/capsule before the repair or is that how the mic was when you bought it? If so, what was the mic like before and after?

blackacre 15th January 2015 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DannyMac (Post 10720201)
Go for the Neumann - always better to get an original part if it's still available

I agree with that generally, but I have used the mic with the m7 for so long, and loved it, that I am unsure about switching to the different capsule. Then again, a reproduction might be just as different.

kmade 15th January 2015 03:59 AM

Shannon at mic rehab he is Blackbird studio premier mic repair guy
he is beyond qualified

Vintageidiot 15th January 2015 04:04 AM

I meant that you could send your defective capsule to be reskinned. I did not hear a before and after, I ordered an m7 mylar brand new from Thiersch. I decided against pvc because I work with plastics and consider its quality to be poor, though that is not based on firsthand experience with this particular plastic but pvc plastics in general and the myriad of chemicals that are required. To expect batches to remain consistent is beyond wishful thinking when it comes to chemicals and batches....

kmade 15th January 2015 04:04 AM


cheu78 15th January 2015 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blackacre (Post 10720182)
Well the m7 capsule of my m49 finally gave out. Has anyone tried to buy an old Gefell m7 capsule as a replacement? Is it better to send it to neumann and get a kk47/49? Thiersh? Wagner?

If in doubt.. ask Andreas Grosser. heh

howdy

Cheu

mattcollen 15th January 2015 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by blackacre (Post 10720182)
Well the m7 capsule of my m49 finally gave out. Has anyone tried to buy an old Gefell m7 capsule as a replacement? Is it better to send it to neumann and get a kk47/49? Thiersh? Wagner?

I'd go with Neumann and get a K47/49 capsule for your mic. Although Gefell makes a great M7, I'd still go for the proper mylar K47/49 as a replacement.

legato 15th January 2015 12:03 PM

Yup, the original capsule is worthless now.
Might as well send it to me. :)

salomonander 15th January 2015 01:04 PM

certainly go for an original neumann k49/47. it costs a fortune but is well worth it. this mic is way too amazing for a re-skinn. i learned the hard way. i have two m49s. one re-skinned - one original. i always reach for the original capsule one first it sounds better to my ears.

Silvertone 15th January 2015 01:49 PM

Well if you have Neumann M49B (better for orchestral work) then you should replace it with the M7 capsule, however if you have an M49C (better for vocals) then it should be the KK 47/49 capsule. That way the mic will stay true to its original build. Although either capsule is great.

I have an M49C that Oliver Archut built for me, he originally put in a re skinned Thiersch M7 capsule but I let him know I was mainly using this for vocals and individual instruments so we both agreed the KK47 to be the better capsule for that application. My original M49's that I owned 20 years ago were C's and I prefer that sound myself. A little smoother in the top end than the B's IMHO.

nielsb 15th January 2015 05:06 PM

If you want to keep the Neumann sound, get a Neumann capsule. The K47/49 is probably the most beautiful LDC available anyway. Ask Klaus Heijne!
Thiersch is kinda dull compared to Neumann.

jjblair 15th January 2015 06:33 PM

Thiersch is the only person using the correct material and process for M7 PVC reskins. That being said, you will be unhappy with the Thiersch reskin, compared to your original M7. You will find it lacking in crispness. In my pair of M49s, the M7 capsules went bad, and I just put new K47 capsules in, and and extremely happy. As somebody who's owned a few M49, and has a few U47s with both K47s and Thiersch M7, I strongly suggest going the K47 route.

nielsb 15th January 2015 09:33 PM

The other big difference is the price. You can buy 3 Thiersch M7's for the price of one K47/49...bumpkin

blackacre 16th January 2015 12:16 AM

Thanks everyone
 
Thanks for all the helpful advice. Seems that most recommend the k47/49 route. At least there are a few good options, not like ck12 capsules. I have a few old c414s and some c12b's, I am dreading when those capsules give up, once those go, they're gone.

salomonander 16th January 2015 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nielsb (Post 10722878)
The other big difference is the price. You can buy 3 Thiersch M7's for the price of one K47/49...bumpkin

and you could buy a whole bunch of fiats for the price of a ferrari :)
it depends. i did like the thiersch a whole lot on a um70. it sounded a whole lot better after his work. but on my m49 not so much.

blackacre 16th January 2015 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Silvertone (Post 10721624)
Well if you have Neumann M49B (better for orchestral work) then you should replace it with the M7 capsule, however if you have an M49C (better for vocals) then it should be the KK 47/49 capsule. That way the mic will stay true to its original build. Although either capsule is great.

I have an M49C that Oliver Archut built for me, he originally put in a re skinned Thiersch M7 capsule but I let him know I was mainly using this for vocals and individual instruments so we both agreed the KK47 to be the better capsule for that application. My original M49's that I owned 20 years ago were C's and I prefer that sound myself. A little smoother in the top end than the B's IMHO.

Thanks for the input, mine is an m49b. I primarily used it for acoustic instruments or as a room mic, but did use it occasionally for vocals. For vocals I rotate between sanken cu41, akg c12b, c414eb, sony c57, sony c47 and aea r84 depending on the vocalist.

nielsb 16th January 2015 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by salomonander (Post 10723519)
and you could buy a whole bunch of fiats for the price of a ferrari :)


You hit the nail on his head! (As we say in Holland) :lol::lol:

pete 16th January 2015 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mattcollen (Post 10721042)
I'd go with Neumann and get a K47/49 capsule for your mic. Although Gefell makes a great M7, I'd still go for the proper mylar K47/49 as a replacement.

does neumann sell them directly in germany?

salomonander 16th January 2015 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pete (Post 10723700)
does neumann sell them directly in germany?

yes they do. its 138 euro for an initial inspection and 720 euro for the capsule (this includes fitting a new capsule - if demanded by the customer). i called them a few days ago regaring this very topic - so these prices should be valid i guess. you get what you pay for :) argh!
actually i think its fair considering that they build capsules mainly (and thats the magic). the rest is a steel housing and a simple amp.

pete 16th January 2015 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by salomonander (Post 10723714)
yes they do. its 138 euro for an initial inspection and 720 euro for the capsule (including the fitting of the capsule). i called them a few days ago regaring this very topic - so these prices should be valid i guess. you get what you pay for :) argh!
actually i think its fair considering that they build capsules mainly (and thats the magic). the rest is a steel housing and a simple amp.

that means buying a new one is 720 euro right? what exactly is the inspection for? I got my original M49 capsule reskinned by thiersch (because it didnt work properly anymore) and I was very unhappy with the result on my M49..

salomonander 16th January 2015 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pete (Post 10723737)
that means buying a new one is 720 euro right? what exactly is the inspection for? I got my original M49 capsule reskinned by thiersch (because it didnt work properly anymore) and I was very unhappy with the result on my M49..

the 138 euros are for inspecting the mic throughout. if the tube is bad they will send it right back to you since they do not have any replacements. at least they will fit the capsule for "free" after that initial cost. thats what they told me.

ps: same on one of my m49s. it lost the magic with the thiersch.
i have to go further...its a very sad story. i did send the wrong m49 to thiersch. the capsule was just fine on that one (the other one was broken - and i messed them up during shipping). he replaced it without even checking it. im so pissed. but i guess its my fault - sending off the wrong mic. still..... what a tech :( he destroyed my perfectly fine original capsule. i lost all hope after that. its neumann or no one else for me after that desaster. every one else does a hack job - and i know them all.
ps2: again. thiersch did a great job on my gefells....

jjblair 16th January 2015 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blackacre (Post 10723513)
Thanks for all the helpful advice. Seems that most recommend the k47/49 route. At least there are a few good options, not like ck12 capsules. I have a few old c414s and some c12b's, I am dreading when those capsules give up, once those go, they're gone.

Shouldn't happen. M7 is PVC, which deteriorates through shrinkage and hardening. If properly cared for, the mylar CK12 should stay good.

gbruler 16th January 2015 10:31 AM

Can you buy a K47 capsule from neumann without asking for any repair? like if I'm building a DIY mic, could I buy a neumann capsule or a gefell one?

nielsb 16th January 2015 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gbruler (Post 10724727)
Can you buy a K47 capsule from neumann without asking for any repair? like if I'm building a DIY mic, could I buy a neumann capsule or a gefell one?

Yes, you can order one at Sennheiser. Part number 053291

legato 16th January 2015 12:11 PM

Getting a separate Gefell M7 will be trickier, I believe.

nielsb 16th January 2015 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by legato (Post 10724867)
Getting a separate Gefell M7 will be trickier, I believe.

That's right. Gefell doesn't sell capsules as service parts. If you have one, they will reskin it for you if needed.

jjblair 16th January 2015 03:58 PM

You don't want a Gefell M7. Their new process is not terribly good. I had them reskin an M7 for me, and it was a real disappointment.