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CJ1973 1st May 2014 04:40 AM

Kick Drum Out Microphone
 
I am looking for options for a Kick Drum Out microphone. I hear the U47FET is the way to go, but that's out of my budget.
Is there a cheaper alternative?
Also, would a Yamaha Subkick do the trick or would that just pick up Sub and not the 'Room' that comes with a U47?
I use an MD421 or M88 for the inside.
Thank you!

Slikjmuzik 1st May 2014 05:10 AM

Advanced Audio Microphones CM48fet | Advanced Audio Microphones

If that one doesn't fancy you, I've also heard the both the at4047 as well as the Bock 195 work really well in this application. Honestly, of them all, the cm48 wins in my book. Good luck kfhkh

JonMiller 1st May 2014 05:20 AM

Lately I switched back to a Beta 52 and I really like it. It gives me what I need and cuts what I don't want. It has good rejection.

bigbone 1st May 2014 05:28 AM

The search is over for a Kick drum Out mic.

Bock Audio IFET

CJ1973 1st May 2014 05:49 AM

Excuse my ignorance but would using one of these vs a Yamaha Subkick yield different results or similar? I'm assuming obviously different due to proximity/room etc but overall in the mix, is there a huge difference?

CJ1973 1st May 2014 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Slikjmuzik (Post 10072567)
Advanced Audio Microphones CM48fet | Advanced Audio Microphones

If that one doesn't fancy you, I've also heard the both the at4047 as well as the Bock 195 work really well in this application. Honestly, of them all, the cm48 wins in my book. Good luck kfhkh

Thanks. Of the 4047, which version did you use?

CJ1973 1st May 2014 05:54 AM

Also, how about one of the following:
1. Vintage U87
2. CAD VX2
3. Beyer M160
4. Beyer MC840
I have access to all these so just trying to see if any folks have used these as well.

GreenNeedle 1st May 2014 05:56 AM

Aea r92

syra 1st May 2014 07:20 AM

Subkick doesn't give you anything that resembles a kick sound besides a sub thud. 47fet give you an actual kick with all the sub you could ever need. 87 works great outside too. You get a bit more "head" than the 47 although not as much sub. And no, you don't need a vintage 87 for that (or anything else IMO)

CJ1973 1st May 2014 07:32 AM

Thank you folks! Appreciate it.
I know the AKG C12VR doesn't fly too far on GS forums but wanted to know if this may work for an Outside Kick? Anyone tried this or similar?

ohgee 1st May 2014 08:26 AM

If a real fet47 is out of your price range, then I'd either look at the ibock or the 4047 which is very reasonable and is also a great mic to have around.

I almost always use a fet47 for the kick out.

[email protected] 1st May 2014 08:46 AM

Yes. Sub kick is very different.

Check out the shure km353. Even an old D12 can be a great outside kick mic.

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Originally Posted by CJ1973 (Post 10072615)
Excuse my ignorance but would using one of these vs a Yamaha Subkick yield different results or similar? I'm assuming obviously different due to proximity/room etc but overall in the mix, is there a huge difference?


jensenmann 1st May 2014 08:52 AM

AKG D12, Beyer Opus99 and Beyer MC840 are what I use for that purpose.

cheu78 1st May 2014 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by syra (Post 10072703)
Subkick doesn't give you anything that resembles a kick sound besides a sub thud. 47fet give you an actual kick with all the sub you could ever need. 87 works great outside too. You get a bit more "head" than the 47 although not as much sub. And no, you don't need a vintage 87 for that (or anything else IMO)

+1!
Sometimes a subkick is better sometimes is not..it's genre/taste/song dependent IME..

Also a Violet Design Amethyst Vintage is pretty good (very hot output though), very clean and deep lowend..
Beesneez does the T3 (which is a "clone" of the 47fet) which is lovely and well priced.. if you're looking for that 47fet feel I'd get that. I had a pair.. I'd not have sold them if I didn't need money for finishing my analog dream..

I hope this helps,

howdy

Cheu

ARIEL 1st May 2014 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CJ1973 (Post 10072721)
Thank you folks! Appreciate it.
I know the AKG C12VR doesn't fly too far on GS forums but wanted to know if this may work for an Outside Kick? Anyone tried this or similar?

I have it , excellent mic for Kick and Bass cabs , I have not tried as a Kick out , But with the EQ switches it would work great . ALso I use an AT4047 for KO duties . One trick is to low pass down to a 100 HZ and maybe boost a little 50 . Works well with the inside mic this way .

CJ1973 1st May 2014 09:11 AM

Hey fellas
Thank you so much. I am definitely tempted to try the 4047 as it's reasonable and appears an all rounder to have.
Qn: which of the 4047s do you use? the MP Multi-pattern or SV Cardiod version?

swafford 1st May 2014 10:35 AM

I went with the Beesneez Trib 3 and am really happy with it. Sounds great on the kick as well as upright bass.

danijoss 1st May 2014 11:32 AM

I guess it depends a bit on the kick drum itself and the tuning, I usually experiment. A sound that I'm particularly fond of is a Royer R101 (I imagine the R121 would work just as well). Tilted down by about 30 degrees, using a pop filter to protect it, and away from the resonant skin hole. The fig.8 pattern actually rejects quite well, and the rear side can pick up some room sound for the kit. Usually between 50-100cm away, depends on how it interacts with the inside mic. But I only like it as a combination with an inside mic, doesn't work very well on its own.

[email protected] 1st May 2014 04:49 PM

I like ribbons for kick out as well, since I'm biased I really like a sE Electronic's VR-2 alot for this [and the AEA 44], and also the sE multipattern T2- the titanium capsule and deep LF response make for a huge sound on the out position. sE is also bringing out in a month or two the cardioid only X-1D with a titanium capsule as well, designed for kick drum at a considerably lower price than the T2.

I totally agree with the others that a speaker wired backwards is NOT the same thing as quality mic. Can be very useful but not the same thing at all IMO.

Best-
Jonathan

gear is cool 1st May 2014 05:33 PM

Almost every mic works for this application.

Maybe the thread should be inverted to what mic doesn't work here.??

bigbone 1st May 2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gear is cool (Post 10073731)
Almost every mic works for this application.

??


Agree , but do they sound right…… Not sure……...

turk sanchez 1st May 2014 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gear is cool (Post 10073731)
Almost every mic works for this application.

Maybe the thread should be inverted to what mic doesn't work here.??

I kind of agree. Almost anything will work here.

That said, I have had great luck with the 121 on FOK, u195, 4047...

honeypiestudios 1st May 2014 05:56 PM

One of my faves is the Blue Mouse. It's great on FOK duties. The Neumann TLM-103 sounds surprisingly good too. A bit less low end than the Mouse, but lots of detail.
I did a session where we used a Rode NTK with a NOS Tesla tube in it that sounded really, really good in front of the kick. That's super cheap compared to a 47 FET.

kikin 1st May 2014 08:17 PM

AT 4047 or Yamaha subkick

ericsvizeny 1st May 2014 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gear is cool (Post 10073731)
Almost every mic works for this application.

Maybe the thread should be inverted to what mic doesn't work here.??

Hahaha. Gotta love this forum!

CJ1973 1st May 2014 08:58 PM

4047 users.... which version is good to have? MP or SV?

Joao B. 1st May 2014 10:00 PM

I tend to use an old U87 and sometimes a Sony C37P. Recently I began using a TLM49 and it sounds very good in this application (although you need to pad it down considerably).

bleen 1st May 2014 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ1973 (Post 10074174)
4047 users.... which version is good to have? MP or SV?

I've never used the MP one but have three SV and one finds its way to kick front many times. Even when a 47FET is available.

cubehead 2nd May 2014 12:26 AM

AKG 414 BULS is fantastic for this and you can find them used for less than a grand. Take tons of spl with 20db pad and has a great punchy low end.

ARIEL 2nd May 2014 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CJ1973 (Post 10074174)
4047 users.... which version is good to have? MP or SV?

I just use the SV , I dont need multi patters what I use it for