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ppanton321 18th October 2013 11:23 PM

API The box?
 
Have you guys seen this new summing mixer/routing mixer?

Looks cool, check it out;

http://www.apiaudio.com/thebox.html

herecomesyourman 18th October 2013 11:50 PM

Looks fantastic. They will sell a LOT of these.

piano 19th October 2013 03:53 AM

Is it all the same circuitry as a real API?

Coolest thing this year for me! WOW!

feck 19th October 2013 03:57 AM

Doesn't look like it has automated faders...does it?

daez 19th October 2013 04:04 AM

Looks pretty cool. Don't get the name though, doesn't look like a box to me.

herecomesyourman 19th October 2013 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by feck (Post 9517978)
Doesn't look like it has automated faders...does it?

No, there's no automation on this. I don't think it needs it but maybe they could develop an automation package based off what the API 1608 can have. I just wouldn't hold my breath because that's a $14,000 fader system and the Box's layout is different so they'd need to develop something similar that fits the framework.

Jimbo 19th October 2013 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by daez (Post 9517987)
Looks pretty cool. Don't get the name though, doesn't look like a box to me.

It will give a whole new meaning to the phrase "Mixing in The Box".

herecomesyourman 19th October 2013 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbo (Post 9518080)
It will give a whole new meaning to the phrase "Mixing in The Box".

I like that...I wish there was an option to upgrade to four built in EQ's since the first two 550a's are not 500 series or removable...I'd just want four of the same thing honestly.

jeremycox 19th October 2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by herecomesyourman (Post 9518087)
I like that...I wish there was an option to upgrade to four built in EQ's since the first two 550a's are not 500 series or removable...I'd just want four of the same thing honestly.

I find the 550 kinda limiting. Put some e27s in that bkfhkhtch.

herecomesyourman 19th October 2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremycox (Post 9518365)
I find the 550 kinda limiting. Put some e27s in that bkfhkhtch.

If only haha...they don't make those anymore. gooof

Wiggy Neve Slut 19th October 2013 10:26 AM

Game changer for project studios i think..

jeremyglover 19th October 2013 12:41 PM

don't like the name and the logo is huge and ugly.

dogma 19th October 2013 01:22 PM

I think $17000 for the limited functions and gear it would replace is pretty outrages. I dont theyll sell many personally - its just too high a price for anyone whod be seriously wiing to actually put down seventen thousand dollars for what is essentially a 2 channel - 16 summing bus with faders (1 stereo send - really). Just another waste of this format. I still think the 51x crowd if they went professional could pull something off much more usable and cheaper for sure

Mighty_Zoltan 19th October 2013 01:58 PM

Yeah if this was under $10k I'd be interested. $17k is little steep for what this offers I feel.

smackmastering 19th October 2013 02:34 PM

I like the product, but I agree it's still priced very high for people like me who work 80 percent of the time at a home studio. This is where SSL nailed it with the x-desk and x-rack systems.

I wish API would strip it down like the X-desk and maybe have a blank 500 per summing channel.

With that said I still like it.

SighBorg 19th October 2013 03:03 PM

Looks nice. Reading the manual it looks well thought out, looks more like a mini console than a typical summing mixer.

The 4 chans of mic pres and 2 chans of of EQs are kind of unnecessary for a summing mixer. Would have been nice if they just left it open as 8 500 series slots. Leaving those out would have saved like 4-5k off the price.

The main thing though which most summing mixers lack that really limits their functionality is stereo busses. Would be nice to see a summing mixer with like 2 stereo busses with inserts available on top of a master buss. Doing a drum submix so that you can process it as a group before sending it to the master requires work arounds on most summing mixers. If only the 4 input channels on this unit also worked as assignable busses...

Wiggy Neve Slut 19th October 2013 03:42 PM

Are the 527's patchable into any channel or only hard wired on the 2buss or the 4 recording channels?

I think they manage to fit a lot into the small foot print.. REAL faders are a god send and the integration of a proper centre section, balanced inserts and the raft of other features that truly do make it just a like a console, yet it dont look like an API legacy!

If you could add additional fader buckets to it that would be a slam dunk for me..

Agree that the 550/pres/comps might not be to everyones taste but if there was a version sans them for around $12.5 K then it would be a total no brainer for most given we've got all our fave outboard units already or we could put our beloved 500 series into the blank slots.

Will be interesting to hear it in action

Ozzy 19th October 2013 06:45 PM

Looks interesting.. Subscribed!

lunar151 19th October 2013 09:34 PM

Ahhh man... Im saving up for a RND 5060, I might have to rethink what Im saving for.

Ward Pike 19th October 2013 09:45 PM

There is so much more they could have done here to make this more widely appealing for the money. I would've liked to have seen a 2500 comp and a stereo EQ on each stereo channel of the summing mixer, and a 500 series of each at that, so you could swap them out for others if you wished to.

HOW ABOUT A BOXPLUS? 16 input channels would be sweet. 16 channel strips all with direct outs or bussed to the summing mixer in various ways with direct outs on those channels and then still have the 16 buss summing mixer with all that flexibility? Hells yeah.

But 18K for what's there? Pass.

jeremycox 20th October 2013 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ward Pike (Post 9519823)
There is so much more they could have done here to make this more widely appealing for the money. I would've liked to have seen a 2500 comp and a stereo EQ on each stereo channel of the summing mixer, and a 500 series of each at that, so you could swap them out for others if you wished to.

HOW ABOUT A BOXPLUS? 16 input channels would be sweet. 16 channel strips all with direct outs or bussed to the summing mixer in various ways with direct outs on those channels and then still have the 16 buss summing mixer with all that flexibility? Hells yeah.

But 18K for what's there? Pass.

At that point what's the difference vs just buying all the components separately? Summing mixer, 2500,lunchboxes, patchbays. Probably more flexible and less expensive.

herecomesyourman 20th October 2013 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremycox (Post 9520364)
At that point what's the difference vs just buying all the components separately? Summing mixer, 2500,lunchboxes, patchbays. Probably more flexible and less expensive.

They just discontinued the summing line...but yes you could get a bunch of stuff separate for less, but the main thing with this is the routing it's capable off. I think it's fine, and pretty interesting.

It's not going to replace my PM2000 though....:cop:

Unknown soldier 20th October 2013 05:32 AM

Maybe I'm missing something, but no dedicated aux returns? You need to burn summing channels as FX returns? Tell me I'm wrong.

herecomesyourman 20th October 2013 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown soldier (Post 9520648)
Maybe I'm missing something, but no dedicated aux returns? You need to burn summing channels as FX returns? Tell me I'm wrong.

You are missing something, if you check the manual there's a Stereo AUX Send and two Mono Aux Sends on every channel.

(From the manual.)

"Auxiliary Sends
Auxiliary/Cue Controls


Mono Aux Sends 1/2 AUX 1 and AUX 2 are mono auxiliary sends that feed aux buses 1 and 2. These sends are commonly used as effects sends, but can be used for additional headphone feed or other purposes. A common on/off switch is used to silently engage both mono sends. The post-fader signal feeds AUX 1/2 by default, but the pair can be switched to the pre-fader signal. “The BOX” is equipped with four (4) auxiliary sends fed by two (2) mono auxiliary sends (1/2), and one (1) stereo auxiliary/cue send (3/4). Each pair of sends has pre/post-fader routing and an on/off switch. The stereo aux send (3/4) can be routed to feed the stereo cue bus instead of aux buses 3 & 4. To support these sends, “The BOX” is equipped with four auxiliary buses, a stereo cue bus, and corresponding masters with balanced outputs."

therock 20th October 2013 05:38 AM

price seems a bit high, the components add up to about 10k
so you pay 7k for a console/chassis?

herecomesyourman 20th October 2013 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by therock (Post 9520654)
seems like a complete ripoff, the components add up to about 10k
so you pay 7k for a chassis?

I'd rather spend a little more on the Aurora Sidecar myself. BUT...I don't know...I don't think it's a total rip-off...still if the price was about $10K-$12K they would sell a lot more of these.

Unknown soldier 20th October 2013 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by herecomesyourman (Post 9520651)
You are missing something, if you check the manual there's a Stereo AUX Send and two Mono Aux Sends on every channel.

(From the manual.)

"Auxiliary Sends
Auxiliary/Cue Controls


Mono Aux Sends 1/2 AUX 1 and AUX 2 are mono auxiliary sends that feed aux buses 1 and 2. These sends are commonly used as effects sends, but can be used for additional headphone feed or other purposes. A common on/off switch is used to silently engage both mono sends. The post-fader signal feeds AUX 1/2 by default, but the pair can be switched to the pre-fader signal. “The BOX” is equipped with four (4) auxiliary sends fed by two (2) mono auxiliary sends (1/2), and one (1) stereo auxiliary/cue send (3/4). Each pair of sends has pre/post-fader routing and an on/off switch. The stereo aux send (3/4) can be routed to feed the stereo cue bus instead of aux buses 3 & 4. To support these sends, “The BOX” is equipped with four auxiliary buses, a stereo cue bus, and corresponding masters with balanced outputs."

Um, I said aux RETURNS, like a true FX aux/return setup that most consoles have. I don't see dedicated FX returns which doesnt' make the aux busses useful for outboard FX...you have to use the summing inputs for FX returns...

herecomesyourman 20th October 2013 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown soldier (Post 9520661)
Um, I said aux RETURNS, like a true FX aux/return setup that most consoles have. I don't see dedicated FX returns which doesnt' make the aux busses useful for outboard FX...you have to use the summing inputs for FX returns...

Whoops! Sorry...misread that.

Yeah and I'm not seeing anything in the manual yet...that could be a big problem with the design for sure then.

Ryan Gregory 20th October 2013 06:14 AM

I really don't like to be negative, and I hope this doesn't come across that way, but the whole time I'm watching the video I'm thinking "well if this has direct outs on the 16 channels then you could use this board for tracking (in conjunction with your outboard pres) and have everything up on the faders before hitting your converters." This would make it so useful, especially with the monitoring features built in. This way you could use it for summing, mixing, or tracking. Direct outs and Aux returns would be crucial here. I even think it would be cool to leave off the 4 ins and the eq's and 527's if the price was a bit lower and it had direct outs and Aux returns. But that's just me and of course my preferences don't necessarily hold true for anyone else.

Unknown soldier 20th October 2013 06:27 AM

No busses or aux returns make this more of a high end summing box than a true console.

It's got some nice features, but seems more of a specific solution for certain folks, and not broad enough to be thought of as an actual "console."

No aux returns kills it for me - I want to use my outboard lex PCM stuff and if I do that it means I have less channels to mix with.

Nice idea, but I agree it is overpriced and only good for very specific studio situations.