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Progmatic-Studios 29th August 2013 10:43 PM

Any SSL X-rack users here?
 
Hi,

I'm considering a SSL X-Rack for summing but im not sure if my DAW stereo output will have any benefits when I run it trough an X-Rack and back..
I mainly produce and mix trance and techno music btw.

Any X-Rack users here? What are the pros and cons?
Thank you!

kittonian 29th August 2013 11:05 PM

The way an X-Rack works best is by using as many 4-Input modules as possible and a single 8-Input module. This is because you want to do the levels/pans entirely in the analog domain via the X-Rack.

The exception to this being the tracks that you do not have enough channels to individually output to the 4-Input modules. In those circumstances you would group them to a stereo output ITB and bring them up on one of the stereo pairs of the 8-Input module. That scenario is best for backing vox, keys, send effects such as reverb, delay, etc.

Unless you have at least 16 channels of D/A available (32 preferably) the X-Rack (when used for summing) will bring little to the table.

Progmatic-Studios 30th August 2013 08:25 AM

So if I understand correctly, if I only use a stereo output from my DAW (RME Babyface stereo out), the X-Rack is useless?

[email protected] 30th August 2013 09:08 AM

If you are only using a stereo output from your DAW then pretty much any summing unit will be next-to-useless. The more channels you sum out the greater the effect.

If you're only planning on taking a stereo out from your DAW then my X-Rack suggestion would be a Bus Comp and a stereo EQ.

Progmatic-Studios 30th August 2013 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 9376728)
If you are only using a stereo output from your DAW then pretty much any summing unit will be next-to-useless. The more channels you sum out the greater the effect.

If you're only planning on taking a stereo out from your DAW then my X-Rack suggestion would be a Bus Comp and a stereo EQ.

Thanks Jim.
So if im right, I can connect my RME Babyface stereo out (jack) to the X-Rack or Mynx --> Bus comp and/or EQ --> back to the RME Babyface XLR?

Progmatic-Studios 30th August 2013 05:41 PM

..or anyone else? ;)

Progmatic-Studios 2nd September 2013 08:13 AM

Bump

waldie wave 2nd September 2013 08:23 AM

I agree with Jim. You should be looking at a stereo EQ and stereo compressor.

Progmatic-Studios 2nd September 2013 08:43 AM

What's the difference between the X-desk modules and lunchbox/500 ones? Are there any??!

[email protected] 2nd September 2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9376732)
Thanks Jim.
So if im right, I can connect my RME Babyface stereo out (jack) to the X-Rack or Mynx --> Bus comp and/or EQ --> back to the RME Babyface XLR?

That would be the way :-)

Eskview 2nd September 2013 02:51 PM

For my first post, I will agree with Jim as well. If you're just looking at processing your stereo buss, then there's nothing to sum, so picking up a good buss compressor and eq is a good option.

However, your Babyface has an ADAT output so, depending on your budget, you could add an 8-channel DA converter to your system, giving you 10 outputs to send out for summing (assuming your set up uses two of your analogue outputs for your monitoring).

If you went down that road, then analogue summing becomes a bit more interesting (although you'll still be looking at sending out stereo stems). My X-Desk arrived last week -and I've been really impressed with that so far- so that's another option to consider, then you've got those channel and master insert points to fill be your processing gear of choice...

Progmatic-Studios 2nd September 2013 05:46 PM

Thank you.
@jim, are the X-Rack and 500 modules exactly the same?

Magnus Lindberg 2nd September 2013 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9385461)
Thank you.
@jim, are the X-Rack and 500 modules exactly the same?

http://www.solidstatelogic.com/support/xlogic/

Sent from my LT22i

Progmatic-Studios 3rd September 2013 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnus Lindberg (Post 9386420)

Thanks.
So they are practically the same, except for the total recall and some features because of the size. And I've noticed there less 500 modules compared to X-Rack modules. There's no stereo EQ in the 500 series for example..

Progmatic-Studios 3rd September 2013 08:59 AM

how's the EQ, Dynamics and Buscomp compared to the UAD versions?

ARIEL 3rd September 2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9387458)
how's the EQ, Dynamics and Buscomp compared to the UAD versions?

Your talking about the real SSL HD vs UAD plug in emulations , Well the HW is that nice 5% difference . I have the EQ and comp in a Mynx , the silver faced units . Very clear and punchy . Would like to get some black units eventually .

Also to the previous post , SSL just started releasing the 500 series stuff .

Progmatic-Studios 3rd September 2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARIEL (Post 9387633)
Your talking about the real SSL HD vs UAD plug in emulations , Well the HW is that nice 5% difference . I have the EQ and comp in a Mynx , the silver faced units . Very clear and punchy . Would like to get some black units eventually .

Also to the previous post , SSL just started releasing the 500 series stuff .

I'm thinking of buying a Mynx with 1 stereo EQ and 1 Stereo dynamics channel. I already own the UAD SSL channelstrip and Buscompressor.
Is this 5% difference really worth the $$?
How are you using the Mynx btw. On a 2bus?

[email protected] 3rd September 2013 01:04 PM

Is it worth it?

Only you can decide this.

For me personally I think it is. Not everyone will agree with me.

Progmatic-Studios 3rd September 2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 9387859)
Is it worth it?

Only you can decide this.

For me personally I think it is. Not everyone will agree with me.

with all respect but you work at SSL ;) im not sure if it really sounds that different or better than the UAD and Duende SSL plugins and unfortunately I can not compare them..

The Beatsmith 3rd September 2013 05:39 PM

what do you expect? he's not lying.

they're better. there's no way someone else can tell you if the difference is going to be worth it to YOU.

Progmatic-Studios 3rd September 2013 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Beatsmith (Post 9388523)
what do you expect? he's not lying.

they're better. there's no way someone else can tell you if the difference is going to be worth it to YOU.

I think the HW has to sound better but im very curious how it compares with the UAD and Duende plugins..

[email protected] 3rd September 2013 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9388419)
with all respect but you work at SSL ;) im not sure if it really sounds that different or better than the UAD and Duende SSL plugins and unfortunately I can not compare them..

You're quite right to say this. However I'd stand by the same statement if you asked me about, say, Tubetech IMHO the excellent plug-in from Softube gets to 95% but the hardware just adds some magic...

Progmatic-Studios 3rd September 2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 9388898)
You're quite right to say this. However I'd stand by the same statement if you asked me about, say, Tubetech IMHO the excellent plug-in from Softube gets to 95% but the hardware just adds some magic...

Hi Jim, thanks for clarifying this. I think I understand what you mean ;)
Are the UAD, Duende and X-Rack stereo EQ modelled from the same EQ? So I can compare them?

Looneytune 3rd September 2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARIEL (Post 9387633)
Your talking about the real SSL HD vs UAD plug in emulations , Well the HW is that nice 5% difference . I have the EQ and comp in a Mynx , the silver faced units . Very clear and punchy . Would like to get some black units eventually .

Also to the previous post , SSL just started releasing the 500 series stuff .

The black units are fantastic. I really do like my Black EQ. My next stop is some silver units.

Progmatic-Studios 3rd September 2013 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looneytune (Post 9389170)
The black units are fantastic. I really do like my Black EQ. My next stop is some silver units.

What kind of music do you produce and/or mix?
Why do you prefer the black over the silver units ATM?Now it true the black has more "color" compared to the silver ones?

ARIEL 4th September 2013 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9387710)
I'm thinking of buying a Mynx with 1 stereo EQ and 1 Stereo dynamics channel. I already own the UAD SSL channelstrip and Buscompressor.
Is this 5% difference really worth the $$?
How are you using the Mynx btw. On a 2bus?

Yes the 5% does make a difference , I use it to process drums only at this point for the punch that I want to hear . My link demonstrates the silver comp/eq in action for drums http://www.invictusaudio.com/ . I have been doing ITB for 15 years and now In the process of trying to move over to analogue . With the Sigma coming out and other companies like better-maker and their mastering eq with digital recall it is making the choice easier for me . If SSL brought out fully digitally recallable channels like bettermaker or the Neve genesys eq/comp cartridges , I would be very happy ;) So I just use it as menioned above .

I have to say the SIlver X comp is amazing for tracking vocals and bass . It is a very good compressor .

ionian 4th September 2013 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARIEL (Post 9390637)
I have to say the SIlver X comp is amazing for tracking vocals and bass . It is a very good compressor .

I've used the silver x-rack comp on vocals, too and I agree that it's a great vocal comp. I haven't used it on bass much but I used to use it frequently as a vocal compressor when mixing. I thought it was fantastic.

Regards,
Frank

Looneytune 4th September 2013 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9389461)
What kind of music do you produce and/or mix?
Why do you prefer the black over the silver units ATM?Now it true the black has more "color" compared to the silver ones?

Hi Erol.

For sure the black ones are just full of color and character with such smooth knobs for twisting fun.
I am not going to lie I am a huge fan of SSL and of course as an owner of the SSL Matrix I had to get my self an X-Rack full of wonderful EQ.

I own a few EQ units and the black are my favorites up there with my other favorites from the GR Harrison of course.

Remember with the black EQ you are actually getting 2 Eq's in one unit as they are switchable between black and brown. Have not spent to much time with the brown as the black always has me smiling.
I often boost with the black EQ, anything from drums to bass and lead lines.
All electronic music here. No samples though.
Drum machine processing, synths and all that stuff.

Another thing I can add is the quality of the X-Rack. It is decent and very well built. Not heavy and awkward either, quite light actually.
BTW The black just look so much better :lol:

Progmatic-Studios 4th September 2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looneytune (Post 9390897)
Hi Erol.

For sure the black ones are just full of color and character with such smooth knobs for twisting fun.
I am not going to lie I am a huge fan of SSL and of course as an owner of the SSL Matrix I had to get my self an X-Rack full of wonderful EQ.

I own a few EQ units and the black are my favorites up there with my other favorites from the GR Harrison of course.

Remember with the black EQ you are actually getting 2 Eq's in one unit as they are switchable between black and brown. Have not spent to much time with the brown as the black always has me smiling.
I often boost with the black EQ, anything from drums to bass and lead lines.
All electronic music here. No samples though.
Drum machine processing, synths and all that stuff.

Another thing I can add is the quality of the X-Rack. It is decent and very well built. Not heavy and awkward either, quite light actually.
BTW The black just look so much better :lol:

Thanks. I'm still in doubt though... Also because I only have room for 2 modules in a Mynx rack... So. 2 mono black EQs or 1 stereo silver EQ and 1 silver stereo dynamics channel...
Also looking into a lunchbox solution btw..

Timesaver800W 4th September 2013 08:40 PM

you do get the g and e curves with the super analogue modules