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Progmatic-Studios 9th July 2013 05:28 PM

SSL plugins shoot out! (UAD / SSL / Waves / Slate)
 
Hi,

Tomorrow I want to make a good comparison between these SSL emulation plugins:

1. UAD SSL G Series Bus Compressor
2. SSL Duende Native Bus Compressor
3. Waves SSL G Series Bus Compressor
4. Slate Digital VBC Grey (G Series Bus Compressor)
(in random order)

Ready for a blind test?

Progmatic-Studios 10th July 2013 03:57 PM

5 Attachment(s)
Here are the audio files!
The settings are a little bit extreme so you can really hear the compressors working:

TEST
Treshold : between -6 and -12db, depending on the plugin.
Attack : 30ms
Release : 1 or auto, depending on the plugin.
Ratio : 10:1 or 20:1, depending on the plugin.

I have tried to match the sound, not only the settings.
Please post the results below. Good Luck!!

Here are the WAV files:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kskdkbvdy2...SLshootout.zip

TEST 2
Ratio 4:1
Attack : 30ms
Release : 1
Matched treshold/GR

I used the VBC 1.0.1.6 and added Cytomic Glue to the comparison! ;)
Here are the WAV files (sorry, no MP3 this time...)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4w422zerinashig/sslv2.zip

Good luck!

mfx 10th July 2013 06:03 PM

Hi thanks for taking the time to do these. Sorry to be picky but would be better to post WAV files rather than mp3 as the converstion adds further compression?

Just a small note of opinion.

1rechtien 10th July 2013 06:10 PM

Pretty close! For some reason I'd say I like 2 best. Just sounded a bit more dynamic, but these are close enough that I could be making it up.

Progmatic-Studios 10th July 2013 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfx (Post 9216519)
Hi thanks for taking the time to do these. Sorry to be picky but would be better to post WAV files rather than mp3 as the converstion adds further compression?

Just a small note of opinion.

No problem. I will upload the WAVs asap!

Progmatic-Studios 10th July 2013 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1rechtien (Post 9216542)
Pretty close! For some reason I'd say I like 2 best. Just sounded a bit more dynamic, but these are close enough that I could be making it up.

Any idea which compressor this is?

1rechtien 10th July 2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9216693)
Any idea which compressor this is?

I don't have any idea. All I have is the waves version and I tend to doubt it would win my ears given UAD's extra processing power and all the acclaim Slate is getting with his stuff. I'll just have to wait and see . . .

jeremycox 10th July 2013 08:19 PM

I like the first two the best. The bass is most distorted sounding on the 2nd one.
1-UAD
2-Slate
3-waves
4-SSL

I've owned the Duende, UAD and Waves (although I sold the Duende years ago).

dfens 10th July 2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9216104)
Here are the audio files!
The settings are a little bit extreme so you can really hear the compressors working:

Treshold : between -6 and -12db, depending on the plugin.
Attack : 30ms
Release : 1 or auto, depending on the plugin.
Ratio : 10:1 or 20:1, depending on the plugin.

I have tried to match the sound, not only the settings.
Please post the results below. Good Luck!!

I like 4 the least, because it can't handle transients well in some parts, for example around 1:06. It seems like this plugin might have problems with difficult passages, for example drum rolls. Rank 4

2 sounds most dynamic and snappy, but also a little more saturated compared to the others, so I would guess it's VBC. If cranked up some more, the others possibly sound a little snappier, too. While I think the others have some more room to be cranked up, 2 seems to be at the limit already. Rank 2

3 sounds really good in every way to me. It has nearly the same good lows as example 2 and it just feels right. Together with 2 it has the best groove and motion, everything fits well and even the highs are pleasing. Somehow I like this one the most. Rank 1

1 is solid but maybe lacking some lows and sound a little harsher compared to the others. I never used Duende SSL or UAD SSL, so I'd guess it's Waves. Rank 3

Neither my ears, nor my monitors are the best, that's just the way I hear it for the moment.

jmastawoods 10th July 2013 09:06 PM

It's between two and three for me as well, but 3 has that "glue factor" that fits the song better IMO. So I pick 3.

Lupez 10th July 2013 09:20 PM

number 3 for me as well!

jalcide 10th July 2013 09:34 PM

Nice shootout (and psy-trance track) kfhkh

Interested to hear the lossless before I hazard a guess.

Mp3s often exhibit too much pre-echo transient smearing, which is also the domain compressors manipulate.

(Great air-pumping bass sound, btw -- Sylenth? Also, I like the BT-esque stutter effect at the beginning -- Izotope's Stutter Edit?)

Cheers.

Progmatic-Studios 11th July 2013 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalcide (Post 9217258)
Nice shootout (and psy-trance track) kfhkh

Interested to hear the lossless before I hazard a guess.

Mp3s often exhibit too much pre-echo transient smearing, which is also the domain compressors manipulate.

(Great air-pumping bass sound, btw -- Sylenth? Also, I like the BT-esque stutter effect at the beginning -- Izotope's Stutter Edit?)

Cheers.

Thanx. Its actually a Function Loops Psy-Trance demo project ;)
I have added the WAV files!

1rechtien 12th July 2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9216693)
Any idea which compressor this is?

Thanks for PMing the results. Really quite surprised by them.

wmcintyre 12th July 2013 03:44 PM

quick listen .....No4 seems the best for me

shadyru 12th July 2013 05:20 PM

no. 3 seems the best to me as well

djayart 12th July 2013 06:21 PM

Number 3 for me.

Feedme 12th July 2013 07:01 PM

For this style, number 3 is just holding those drums too well in comparison for me to say no, and im gonna guess its VBC because i've heard what it does to drums in other comparisons, although.. i've never heard the UAD SSL.

Number 2 isn't bad. PM me the results please - and make sure number 3 is not VBC so i don't feel like im missing out on my poor old WinXp machine :(

Tom music 12th July 2013 07:07 PM

Lol "feedme".. feel the same way :) I actually like 3 the best BUT to me 2 is close enough.. So, I would be happy with either one!!!!!!!!!

Feedme 12th July 2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom music (Post 9223353)
Lol "feedme".. feel the same way :) I actually like 3 the best BUT to me 2 is close enough.. So, I would be happy with either one!!!!!!!!!

..and i just got the results ..and im saying nothing !

Tom music 12th July 2013 07:41 PM

:)

stresstour 12th July 2013 09:00 PM

#3 sounds the best to my ears. Can ya PM me the answer?

egor 12th July 2013 10:42 PM

I like n3.
Please, pm me the results!
Best regards!

egor 12th July 2013 10:50 PM

Just got a Pm. I like what i saw. :-)

Progmatic-Studios 12th July 2013 11:13 PM

So far no.3 is the favourite.
I will PM everyone who participates the results! (I already did).
More guesses please!

Next week I will compare the winner to the Glue..

bob humid 12th July 2013 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfx (Post 9216519)
Hi thanks for taking the time to do these. Sorry to be picky but would be better to post WAV files rather than mp3 as the converstion adds further compression?

Just a small note of opinion.

there is no "compression" in the MP3-algorithm, it's "data-reduction" based on psycho-acoustical effects, mainly masking of specific frequency-ranges ...

FLAC is using losless-compression. or you can ZIP something, that would compress information...

if the MP3s are 320er LAME encoded those are good enough for a quality differentation since most people cannot distinguish them from a CD in blind-tests. ironcially some blind persons can distinguish 320er MP3s from CDs ;)

climber 13th July 2013 01:00 PM

I prefer 3... Love to see the names. ThnX

djayart 13th July 2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erol (Post 9223989)
I will PM everyone who participates the results! (I already did).
More guesses please!

Can you send me the result by PM ?
Thx

4damind 13th July 2013 04:06 PM

How much gain reduction?


I would put them in this order

3
2
4
1

ssiicckkoo 13th July 2013 04:27 PM

I wonder how many of us are influenced by the majority of participants choosing 3. heppy