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Audiovisjon 6th July 2013 06:07 PM

High end nearfield test
 
Hey guys!

I am trying to do a big test and review of several high end monitors in my studio.Barefoot mm27 gen1 and gen2, Pmc Aml2 , Twotwo, Geithain 944K1, Atc Smc25, Focal Sm9, Psi´s, Klein&Hummel and Neumann Kh310 among others are included.

Though some midfields will be brought in for comparison I will try to focus on speakers I can use in a near field position.
My plan is to try all of these magnificent speakers over a 3month period.

I will do subjective and objective tests to find out what to expect regarding differences in addition to my personal experience with them all.
I will also at the end buy the speaker that fits my room, my specifications and my needs! kfhkh

Taurean 8th July 2013 11:08 PM

bump

Hjelmevold 10th July 2013 09:51 AM

I'm imagining a fairly crowded meter bridge... cooge

I can't help you with Barefoots, but if you are within driving distance from Oslo, I can probably arrange for you to try PSI and/or Geithain, if you're interested in learning how those brands sound.

yllet 10th July 2013 01:40 PM

Im very interessed in the twotwo's bring it on!

/Jon

ECM 10th July 2013 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiovisjon (Post 9204114)
Hey guys! Im trying to do a big test and review of several high end monitors in my studio including mm27, pmc aml2 , twotwo, atc smc25, focal sm9 and neumann kh310. Id like to get a hold of mm27 gen2 and mm12 but that is not posibble for the moment at my location.

I might get the mm27 gen2 in a month or so for a test so I will hold off the review until then.
As a mm27 owner for some years I would love to hear what the gen2 brings to the table. If there is any mm27 owners who have upgraded to gen2 I would love to hear your impressions :-)


Get some PSI's, and S4X for the test if you can.

Miles Flint 10th July 2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ECM (Post 9215829)
Get some PSI's, and S4X for the test if you can.

kfhkh

+1!!!
the PSI are incredible! had the mm27, sm9 and smc25 here for testing and went with the PSI's.

Tonwerker 10th July 2013 06:10 PM

O310.... Nearfield???

Rolf Ebitsch 10th July 2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonwerker (Post 9216546)
O310.... Nearfield???

Neumann KH 310A cooge

no O, like Klein+Hummel O300.

R.

Rolf Ebitsch 10th July 2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiovisjon (Post 9204114)
Hey guys! Im trying to do a big test and review of several high end monitors in my studio including mm27, pmc aml2 , twotwo, atc smc25, focal sm9 and neumann kh310.

Great Idea kfhkh

R.

yllet 11th July 2013 04:45 AM

Psi a17-m? hittt (it's a must!)

Tonwerker 11th July 2013 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolf Ebitsch (Post 9216876)
Neumann KH 310A cooge

no O, like Klein+Hummel O300.

R.

yes - but this is by definition not a nearfield!

John Willett 11th July 2013 09:20 AM

I would add the Geithain RL906 to the listen list.

Review here.

Radiance 11th July 2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by John Willett (Post 9218850)
I would add the Geithain RL906 to the listen list.

Review here.

Although a very nice speaker (have a set myself) I think they're not comparable (size wise) with the others no?

Nice review BTW!

Jomox 11th July 2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Radiance (Post 9219106)
Although a very nice speaker (have a set myself) I think they're not comparable (size wise) with the others no?

The guy has added ATC 25, MM27 and 0310 , obviously these are midfield monitors as well as being able to be used as nearfields. Once you add these , your pretty much opening up the world for midfields as well, and with that your opening up a big market of good monitors to check out.

So really the test is nearfield/midfield monitors.

Radiance 11th July 2013 01:06 PM

Ok, yes...the rl906 certainly is high end ....

John Willett 11th July 2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Radiance (Post 9219106)
Although a very nice speaker (have a set myself) I think they're not comparable (size wise) with the others no?

Nice review BTW!

The RL906 is a nearfield and the test was of nearfields.

The O300 and HK310 are really mid-fields - in which case add the Geithain RL944K or one of the others from the RL range kfhkh

In fact, all Geithain monitors sound almost exactly the same except for bass extension on the larger units and that the "K" ones have a cardioid response and don't throw bass frequencies out of the back like other loudspeakers.

I found this to be true when I was comparing the small RL906 to the large RL901K and kept finding I could not tell which one was playing. It was only when I noticed the difference in the bass that I realised which was which.

Martijn W 15th July 2013 07:01 PM

However the O300 seems to be categorized as a midfield monitor on some retail websites, i would actually place it in the near-field category.

Anyway, don't let it out on that reason.

KH310 seems interesting too :)

SteelyDani 16th July 2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolf Ebitsch (Post 9216876)
Neumann KH 310A cooge

no O, like Klein+Hummel O300.

R.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonwerker (Post 9218660)
yes - but this is by definition not a nearfield!

Copying verbatim from the Neumann website:

"The KH 310 is designed for use as a near-field monitor,..."

Audiovisjon 21st July 2013 01:58 PM

Thanks guys!

Regarding the definition of nearfields I think that line has been " greyed out" over the years. Still none of these monitors are defined as pure midfields though some of them can be used in such a configuration.

Im still waiting for the KH310 and the new Barefoot mm27 gen2. So far I have been testing Pmc AML2 and twotwo, Barefoot mm27 (gen1) and ATCsmc25 . I have been listening to my reference material and other material/mixes with known flaws etc in addition to some mixing and mastering work in pro tools for about two weeks. I also measured the frequency, phase and impulserespons on all speakers in the same position.

If I had to choose right now the choice would be AML2. Im coming back to all the details when I have heard more speakers but aml2 is just an amazing (almost fullrange) tool in a very compact size. The piston driver measures fairly flat respons down to 30 hz compared to the atc scm25 that drops 10db from 60 to 50 hz and measures nothing at all under 50hz. Stay tunedbumpkin

Audiovisjon 21st July 2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yllet (Post 9218379)
Psi a17-m? hittt (it's a must!)

Il try to get a pair of PSI also.. Iv had no experience with them in the past so its about time I should give them a go. Always trusted the swiss ´ss. (no wonder they had to make a good de´esser )cooge

Rolf Ebitsch 21st July 2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiovisjon (Post 9252588)
Im coming back to all the details when I have heard more speakers

Thank you very much for the moment!

I'm curious about the Neumann KH 310A.

Have a good time on the listening test.... gooof

R.

Stitch333 21st July 2013 04:35 PM

No Grimm audio LS1's?

Arksun 21st July 2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiovisjon (Post 9252639)
Il try to get a pair of PSI also.. Iv had no experience with them in the past so its about time I should give them a go. Always trusted the swiss ´ss. (no wonder they had to make a good de´esser )cooge

If you do, get the A21M, thats what I use. Incredible monitors for nearfield use (can be used for midfield too). I think the A25M however wouldn't work for nearfield. Well I say that, I once asked Marc @ PSI what the minimum listening distance would be to the A25M and he said 1.5m, so if you're sitting that far away or more then it might work.

I use my A21M in a very tight space, just 1m distance between my head and the monitors, yet the sound is still super solid focused, with not a hint of phaseyness or crossover whatsoever. Soundstage projected by the PSI might not be as big as some of the other brands, but the listening sweet spot is massive. Move your head around the sound stays focused.

yllet 21st July 2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiovisjon (Post 9252639)
Il try to get a pair of PSI also.. Iv had no experience with them in the past so its about time I should give them a go. Always trusted the swiss ´ss. (no wonder they had to make a good de´esser )cooge

Got the 17's now, they are simply amazing!

/Jon

Audiovisjon 23rd July 2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hjelmevold (Post 9215252)
I'm imagining a fairly crowded meter bridge... cooge

I can't help you with Barefoots, but if you are within driving distance from Oslo, I can probably arrange for you to try PSI and/or Geithain, if you're interested in learning how those brands sound.

Thanks mate! I can probably get the psi from prolyd. Do you import Geithain? I might pick them up when Im in town ?

Audiovisjon 23rd July 2013 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolf Ebitsch (Post 9252682)
Thank you very much for the moment!

I'm curious about the Neumann KH 310A.

Have a good time on the listening test.... gooof

R.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arksun (Post 9252989)
If you do, get the A21M, thats what I use. Incredible monitors for nearfield use (can be used for midfield too). I think the A25M however wouldn't work for nearfield. Well I say that, I once asked Marc @ PSI what the minimum listening distance would be to the A25M and he said 1.5m, so if you're sitting that far away or more then it might work.

I use my A21M in a very tight space, just 1m distance between my head and the monitors, yet the sound is still super solid focused, with not a hint of phaseyness or crossover whatsoever. Soundstage projected by the PSI might not be as big as some of the other brands, but the listening sweet spot is massive. Move your head around the sound stays focused.

Exiting! I think the a21m is the psi speaker I like to include. The importer has a pair in stock and Im waiting for the "go" to pick them up.kfhkh

Audiovisjon 23rd July 2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolf Ebitsch (Post 9252682)
Thank you very much for the moment!

I'm curious about the Neumann KH 310A.

Have a good time on the listening test.... gooof

R.

Thanks mate ! My hope is that people can get a little closer to their answer regarding the choice of high end monitors and what to expect at these price points.
I have been training my ears for 20years and promise to be brutally honest in this review. kfhkh

Audiovisjon 23rd July 2013 01:04 PM

The very helpful norwegian Psi distributor (Prolyd )suggested me to include the Psi A25 as well because of the 3 way design. I would think this monitor requires a distant of 1.5m or more so that will probably put it in the "pure" midfield category.
Im trying to aim at monitors that can be used as near fields but will consider to expanding the review. Many of the monitors claims to work in a midfield configuration too so I guess this make sense .

I having a very good time doing this review and cant help to still be exited every time a new box gets delivered at my door after all these years..haha.

Audiovisjon 23rd July 2013 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stitch333 (Post 9252968)
No Grimm audio LS1's?

Ahh. The allmighty Grimm LS1. I have actually mailed the office in Netherlands and are waiting for the answer. I have never heard it but the design puts a big smile on my face. Just gorgeous !!

Karloff70 23rd July 2013 01:29 PM

+1 for including the PSI A21m's. Would be interesting to hear your take on them. I know what I think..... ;-)

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