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scalawag 16th May 2011 07:47 PM

Satson VS Harrison Mixbus VS Stripbus VS VCC
 
I know one is a plugin and the other is a full featured DAW, but i'm tempted on purchasing one of those.
Which one has the best sound?
Actually i'm using Ableton Live, so Satson will be just perfect, but as i also use Linux, i could export individual Ableton tracks to Mixbus on Linux for the final mix.
I've read a lot about summing, and Mixbus seems to have it nativelly since it's the same DSP algorithms of Harrison's hardware consoles and it's a full ITB mixer. Satson is just a solo plugin you put on each track, so they don't really "comunicate" each others.
Any thoughts on this subject?
EDIT: i've added VCC and Stripbus to discussion.

dasoundjunkie 17th May 2011 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scalawag (Post 6646778)
I know one is a plugin and the other is a full featured DAW, but i'm tempted on purchasing one those.
Which one has the best sound?
Actually i'm using Ableton Live, so Satson will be just perfect, but as i also use Linux, i could export individual Ableton tracks to Mixbus on Linux for the final mix.
I've read a lot about summing, and Mixbus seems to have it nativelly since it's the same DSP algorithms of Harrison's hardware consoles and it's a full ITB mixer. Satson is just a solo plugin you put on each track, so they don't really "comunicate" each others.
Any thoughts on this subject?

Can't comment on Mixbus, but Satson reminds me of sitting behind an E series ssl, wide and deep (and in the process made me give up the idea of external summing). Things sit better BEFORE you do anything to them and the filters are just awesome, besides it's $40. How can you go wrong?kfhkh

Lights 17th May 2011 01:08 AM

Just looked up Mixbus... didn't it once cost $1000 or am I losing it? Now it's $79??

I'm skeptical about this product. A whole new DAW built by a mixer company?

Kenton 17th May 2011 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lights (Post 6647939)
A whole new DAW built by a mixer company?

Not quite.

It uses Ardour (open source DAW) as it's foundation - and Harrison makes digital mixers too. Rather an effective pairing.

I have both - for workflow, Satson is winning at the moment. Having to export tracks or use Jack to get audio into MixBus is a bit of a pain - plus you have to learn another DAW which is annoying.

I've only done a couple of mixes with Satson but they both seemed to come together quickly and everything sat nicely without any fuss. Sounded pretty good too.

K.

vtone 22nd May 2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenton (Post 6648186)
Not quite.

It uses Ardour (open source DAW) as it's foundation - and Harrison makes digital mixers too. Rather an effective pairing.

I have both - for workflow, Satson is winning at the moment. Having to export tracks or use Jack to get audio into MixBus is a bit of a pain - plus you have to learn another DAW which is annoying.

I've only done a couple of mixes with Satson but they both seemed to come together quickly and everything sat nicely without any fuss. Sounded pretty good too.

K.

+1

I have both (and VCC) and prefer Satson over MixBus. I like the sound of MixBus but learning a new DAW (and it's idiosyncracies) was tedious-- I wasn't getting any work done.

Satson sounds great and is a helluva lot of fun! You can get straight to work too which is nice.

Atak 18th November 2011 01:59 PM

Can you use the Satson Sonimus with The Harrison Mixbus? Would that be a good combo for mixing?

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kelvyn 18th November 2011 02:15 PM

Have both as well as the VCC and agree that Sonimus or VCC is a better way of working at the moment.

SWAN808 18th November 2011 03:07 PM

also look at this one - I like this guys stuff a lot...

StripBus console emulation bundle

scalawag 18th November 2011 03:31 PM

Well, i ended up buying Harrison at the time. It has a huge sound! But i'm still not 100% confortable with it yet, so i ended up buying Stripbus and VCC RC-Tube. I think i have enought emulations now. Sknote plugins working on Linux would be great!! Ardour + Stripbus will be a killer combo!

gdoubleyou 18th November 2011 09:38 PM

Just started a mix using Satson, so far I like it.

Haven't tried Mixbus, but I have Ardour, Installed Lion on an external drive for testing, it killed Ardour, but it looks like they have updated Ardour and Mixbus for lion compatibility.

Harrison was tied to the open source development, prior to the update they were thinking about upgrading to LEOPARD!

Atak 21st November 2011 08:43 AM

I just wonder if using both Satson/Mixbus together on a mix would have a greater effect on some what getting a little bit of that console sound.

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mista min 21st November 2011 03:46 PM

I have stripbus, satson and harrison mixbuss and I like them all.

I am more used to my workflow in Logic and I just can't seem to figure out how to freeze tracks in Mixbuss... in Ardour it's quite easy....

I really love Satson with my SSL E-series plugins from Waves... things sound so well together and really make my drums and samples sound güd gooof

I did a mix in mixbuss and it came out solid, but I also used other plugins, so I just didn't get why I should stay in it. It is solid and for editing really cool! One of the best editing workflows I've seen in a while and I will continue to edit in it, since it is very similar to the Pro Tools workflow (which I also have, but don't really like).

My favorite mixing combo so far is Logic Studio 9 and Satson, but i haven't tried stripbus on a project. I will soon :)

Cheers!
Marcos

p.s. EP's coming soon! (Shameless plug mezed)

Atak 21st November 2011 10:56 PM

Thanks that's great info.

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famousbass 21st November 2011 11:16 PM

Mixbus is superb.
Too bad the strip is not a plugin, oh, hang on, it is in UAD.

djanthonyw 21st November 2011 11:57 PM

Satson all the way, nothing better than an option that integrates into your current workflow! I'll be damned if I'm going to export every track into a whole other sequencer when it's just not needed due to other options.

scalawag 22nd November 2011 12:57 AM

I'm sure they sound different.
Perhaps we'll see some Harrison plugins in the future....
Mixbus was a big step for them. I love its sound. But if the sales are down expectations i'm almost sure they will turn to plugins.

vtone 22nd November 2011 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scalawag (Post 7254742)
I'm sure they sound different.
Perhaps we'll see some Harrison plugins in the future....
Mixbus was a big step for them. I love its sound. But if the sales are down expectations i'm almost sure they will turn to plugins.

MixBus as a plugin... I like that idea!

Atak 22nd November 2011 01:31 AM

I guess it's a matter of taste. Mixbus really makes me feel like I'm working on a big console alone it's powerful. When coming from a past of working with not much gear and pulling of thee impossible and getting great sound.Harrison mixbus and Satson Sonimus are what's most used in my circle.

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Atak 21st December 2011 07:44 PM

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I guess it's a matter of taste. Mixbus really makes me feel like I'm working on a big console alone it's powerful. When coming from a past of working with not much gear and pulling of thee impossible and getting great sound.Harrison mixbus and Satson Sonimus are what's most used in my circle.

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Now that includes Sknote StrupbusV2 it's a great addition to my studio.

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Atak 29th December 2011 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Atak (Post 7354335)
Now that includes Sknote StrupbusV2 it's a great addition to my studio.

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Ooops I meant Stripbus

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scalawag 29th December 2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Atak (Post 7376243)
Ooops I meant Stripbus

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I ended up buying Mixbus, Slate RC-Tube and Stripbus!

vtone 30th December 2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scalawag (Post 7377355)
I ended up buying Mixbus, Slate RC-Tube and Stripbus!

How do you like Stripbus? I'm having trouble with it-- I can't hear the ducking, I can barely hear the EQ... I bought it but so far haven't found a practical use for it.

scalawag 30th December 2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vtone (Post 7381486)
How do you like Stripbus? I'm having trouble with it-- I can't hear the ducking, I can barely hear the EQ... I bought it but so far haven't found a practical use for it.

I love it!
The ducking is very subtle. Don't expect any sort of side chain compression with it, but it works. To use the EQ you have to choose the type of filter you want to use on the right.

dasoundjunkie 31st December 2011 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by vtone (Post 7381486)
How do you like Stripbus? I'm having trouble with it-- I can't hear the ducking, I can barely hear the EQ... I bought it but so far haven't found a practical use for it.

Don't think of it as a proper EQ, it's more of a tone control.

Atak 2nd January 2012 02:04 PM

I would still like to know if anyone is placing the Satson on there Harrison mixbus channels and what were there results. I have tried and after a while all the channels mono aswell a stereo would only play audio on my left speaker. What is the deal? Together using the Satson and Harrison sounds big analog gear sounding and open 3 d ish. The only problem is after a while say 20 to thirty minutes of play or adding a plugin after the Satson any different plugin after the audio defaults to one side. This stands between me getting the best results I have gotten since using digital in the box mixing.

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mista min 2nd January 2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atak (Post 7389714)
I would still like to know if anyone is placing the Satson on there Harrison mixbus channels and what were there results. I have tried and after a while all the channels mono aswell a stereo would only play audio on my left speaker. What is the deal? Together using the Satson and Harrison sounds big analog gear sounding and open 3 d ish. The only problem is after a while say 20 to thirty minutes of play or adding a plugin after the Satson any different plugin after the audio defaults to one side. This stands between me getting the best results I have gotten since using digital in the box mixing.

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Same thing was happening to me. It's kinda sucked :(
Never figured out how to make it stop. So I gave up. I should try VCC instead.

Peace,
Min

P.s. Oh and for none Mac users I found this eq.... http://phoenixinflightaudio.blogspot...hrillereq.html
It's molded after the Harrison EQ. I have to try it on my laptop, but my laptop sucks :(

Atak 2nd January 2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mista min (Post 7390443)
Same thing was happening to me. It's kinda sucked :(
Never figured out how to make it stop. So I gave up. I should try VCC instead.

Peace,
Min

P.s. Oh and for none Mac users I found this eq.... http://phoenixinflightaudio.blogspot...hrillereq.html
It's molded after the Harrison EQ. I have to try it on my laptop, but my laptop sucks :(

Oh yeah the Phoenixflight Thiller eq is a jewell. I used it with my pc and I begged the guy to make a mac version but he only knows pc code and not mac but he said he is open for help.

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mista min 4th January 2012 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atak (Post 7391314)
Oh yeah the Phoenixflight Thiller eq is a jewell. I used it with my pc and I begged the guy to make a mac version but he only knows pc code and not mac but he said he is open for help.

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Oh man, someone please HELP HIM!!!!! :)

NoamLavi 6th March 2012 04:42 PM

theres no comparison!!!
 
satson is just a plugin.
and single plug-in made to make a single channel sound better. it does something to the sound but very minuet. VCC is better IMO.
but the summing algo stays the same crapy algo thats in most DAW's (if not all) - transparent, sterile and very hard to make it exciting.

mixbus takes care of the summing itself!! i don't like mixbus I LOVE IT!!!
even though it's buggy and hard to learn i will stick by it in rain or shine cause it ROCK THE S%$T OUT OF EVERYTHING!!
quit simple just import your WAV's into it and press play. (no tweaks or processing added) you will notice a dramatic excitement just playing it dry... thats not a "console emulation" thats the actual algo our of an actual console...
everybody talks about summing analog but finaly a major console manufacturer picks up the glove and does what we all been waiting for... now i'm just wondering why on earth didn't SSL do the same with their digital console algos...
cooge

NoamLavi 6th March 2012 07:04 PM

BTW
 
i forgot to mention that mixbus is a total CPU HOG!
didn't even start processing nothing and i already had to work on 4000 buffer size... but i i have a core2 duo so... i'll be upgrading in a few days (yayi!)
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