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5TO36 26th April 2011 09:19 PM

Home studio-Console?
 
At what price range does a mixing console become an asset rather than a liability?
I have a Behringer 16 ch Eurodesk that I recently removed from my signal path because there was a noticable degradation of my signal.
I miss the convenience but can't afford a high end console.

Adlen 26th April 2011 09:33 PM

Allen&Heath ZED-R16 or GSR-24M, Soundcraft Ghost? Cheap but good quality.

cinealta 26th April 2011 09:44 PM

Do you really need a console to mix at home? Can you mix ITB?

It's better to stay ITB unless you can afford some decent analog. Maybe something like a Midas Venice in the very least.

5TO36 26th April 2011 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinealta (Post 6584693)
Do you really need a console to mix at home? Can you mix ITB?

It's better to stay ITB unless you can afford some decent analog. Maybe something like a Midas Venice in the very least.

I only used the console for tracking, I've always mixed ITB

shani haider 26th April 2011 09:57 PM

Which audio interface are you working with?

rene-lemieux 27th April 2011 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 5TO36 (Post 6584726)
I only used the console for tracking, I've always mixed ITB

bassackwards...

5TO36 27th April 2011 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shani haider (Post 6584738)
Which audio interface are you working with?

Saffire pro 40

DirtyChus 27th April 2011 01:51 PM

how many money you have to spend??

DirtyChus 27th April 2011 01:54 PM

Allen Heath GS R24m. is the best value for the money. (i never test, but if you read the Thread of Zed r24... this console promise quality and all in one product

Bassmankr 27th April 2011 02:07 PM

Even a Mackie can be an asset to ITB guys. No latency monitering that you can use effects on while tracking. Plenty of faders for mixing, easy patch points for real comps. It's a workflow thing first, and even cheapo mixers can have decent sonics if you use them right.

jrakarl 27th April 2011 02:23 PM

Yup, I mix on a Mackie 1604. Love it. Beats the pants off mixing completely ITB.

John1982 27th April 2011 02:30 PM

I've got two old Studiomaster Consoles. One from the late 70s and one from the mid 80s (they used to belong to my dad's band back in the days). I use them for tracking and have recently started to setup a hybrid mix situation.
I love the sound.
You can get used Studiomasters at the bay for a reasonable price.

thebaron 27th April 2011 02:35 PM

Im interested in this thread, too. I've been gradually adding more outboard and doing the hybrid thing. I'd like to use a mixer for compressor inserts and the ability to buss without more conversions in and out. (compress/eq the snare and kick on each channel then send to a drum buss and compress that, etc.)

So for someone mixing who only needs non-destructive signal routing (don't care about eq's or summing benefits, etc., what would do the trick? The 1604 seems like a good option. I've heard bad things about it too, though.

Karloff70 27th April 2011 02:36 PM

Soundcraft Delta is definitely an asset. Even the pres sound very nice and musical. Saw the last 24ch with 4 band eq's and 6 auxes go for £365. Impossible to beat I reckon for a well sounding desk with separate channel strip modules and also plenty upgradability......freshflowe

The dman 27th April 2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Karloff70 (Post 6586731)
Soundcraft Delta is definitely an asset. Even the pres sound very nice and musical. Saw the last 24ch with 4 band eq's and 6 auxes go for £365. Impossible to beat I reckon for a well sounding desk with separate channel strip modules and also plenty upgradability......freshflowe

And even better is the Delta is very moddable and parts are cheap and abundant. It lacks some of the routing of a full blow studio console but that's never gotten in my way.

The eq kills with the Jim Williams mods

5TO36 27th April 2011 02:42 PM

I was looking at the Mackie Onyx 16ch for tracking. certainly an upgrade from the Behringer.

hossman777 27th April 2011 04:24 PM

I scored two Ramsa WR-8616 consoles. One for $250, one for $300. Excellent sonics, good workflow...I love it. WAY better than Behringer.

Voyage.One 27th April 2011 04:36 PM

I have an old late 70's Dynamix 24-8-2 and an Allen & Heath ZED420. The Dynamix is a fantastic console to mix on, I recently finished mixing a three-track demo on it.
If you don't mind scratchy pots, it's a fantastic console nonetheless.

shani haider 27th April 2011 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 5TO36 (Post 6586583)
Saffire pro 40

your saffire has better quality then eurorack. I will suggest you to stick with saffire and dont buy another cheap mixer to ruin your sound and money!

Yamaha O1V can work for you at some low price!

Final advice: get yourself at least Audient or Toft Audio when you will have at least Prism Orpheus.

rocksure 28th April 2011 01:27 AM

The older Soundcraft and Soundtracs mixers are pretty good if you can find one in good condition. If you can add one or two good outboard preamps for your main tracking, and use a mixer for the other less critical channels it could be a good solution. Plus mixers are handy for monitoring.

therealbigd 28th April 2011 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by thebaron (Post 6586724)
Im interested in this thread, too. I've been gradually adding more outboard and doing the hybrid thing. I'd like to use a mixer for compressor inserts and the ability to buss without more conversions in and out. (compress/eq the snare and kick on each channel then send to a drum buss and compress that, etc.)

So for someone mixing who only needs non-destructive signal routing (don't care about eq's or summing benefits, etc., what would do the trick? The 1604 seems like a good option. I've heard bad things about it too, though.

The I/O plugin in your DAW will continue to perform this function with no need for you to buy additional hardware.