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Red Baron 15th January 2011 02:04 AM

Recommend dark-sounding preamp for a bright mic like Rode NT2A
 
I have a NT2a, and I suppose dark-sounding preamps are better for it, so, would you please recommend a few of them.

Aaron Miller 15th January 2011 02:50 AM

I don't really consider preamps dark vs bright because those terms are a bit extreme IMO. The differences here are not big like the differences between a dark mic and a bright one. I bet a 1073 would be sweet though!

B-San 15th January 2011 02:55 AM

I'd recommend a UA LA-610 or 6176...

Kiwi 15th January 2011 03:48 AM

Any good transformer based preamp will help take the edge off it. Neve, API or clones thereof. Ideally something with both input and output transformers - which eliminates most modern-design preamps. Anything all tube will have both input & output transformers.

edva 15th January 2011 04:35 AM

Drawmer 1960 is a dark and thick sounding pre. Good pre for most Rodes.
You're on the right track in looking for different sounding, and in this case dark, pres, IMHO. kfhkh

BLUElightCory 15th January 2011 04:52 AM

Neve 1272, Chandler Germanium, or similar would be my first choice.

uncle duncan 15th January 2011 06:54 AM

Minute Nine studios can mod the crispy high end of your NT2a away for $60. Regardless of whether or not you go that route, you'd be better off spending money on a second mic rather than a preamp to change the sound of the first mic. The mic defines the sound, the preamp amplifies the sound, but it doesn't turn the mic into something it's not. A Neve-ish pre would be a good piece to have in your arsenal, but a second choice for a mic would be better.

Red Baron 15th January 2011 08:12 PM

All really good recommendations!


Second mic
Nt2a Mod
1073
UA LA-610
UA 6176
Drawmer 1960
Neve 1272
Chandler Germanium

More options.......

jnorman 15th January 2011 10:13 PM

vintech 1272

blacklion 15th January 2011 11:07 PM

Have you tried a foam/fuzzy cover for the NT2a? It will take the edge off...that's what I did when I had it. It's a low-end move, but works very well.

softwareguy 15th January 2011 11:13 PM

I agree with Uncle Duncan. If the mic is too bright, either get it modded or sell it and buy something that works. Don't dig a deeper hole by buying a pre to accomodate it.

camus 16th January 2011 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Baron (Post 6220506)
I have a NT2a, and I suppose dark-sounding preamps are better for it, so, would you please recommend a few of them.

Unless you want a preamp that comes with a built in -6dB at 10kHz shelf, I'd suggest simply changing the microphone.

Crybaby 16th January 2011 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by uncle duncan (Post 6221187)
The mic defines the sound, the preamp amplifies the sound, but it doesn't turn the mic into something it's not.

A tube preamp with a Mullard tube (really dark) or a GE Jan (big bottom), would drastically change what you get out of your mic. But still, there will always be a background of what you don't like.

I think the mic you work with has to fit you, but doesn't have to be perfect, sometimes the combination mic/preamp/tube can create the magic recipe.

Kiwi 16th January 2011 07:51 AM

Changing preamps for very subtle EQ effect seems pretty dumb if all you need is a bit of EQ.

I have an NT2a, which I bought for a project when I need another cheap condenser mic in a hurry, and I was interested in the low noise floor. When mine arrived, it was faulty - and my dealer sent me a new one, but also the NT2000 as well. I had previously not bothered, because looking at the publish response curve I thought these mics would be fairly similar. They are VERY different. In comparison, the NT2a is a fairly nasty sounding mic. The NT2000 is much sweeter and silky in comparison. I ended up keeping both - because there is something about the NT2a on certain soft sources (such as my voice) that really adds some edge.

I subscribe to Mike Stavrou's theory about mic selection: basically using harsh sounding mics on soft sources, and soft sounding mics on harsh sources.

I also tend to use dynamic mics a lot more.

Maybe you just needs some more mics.

Sonic Lush 16th January 2011 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jnorman (Post 6223218)
vintech 1272

jnorman beat me to it.

love to pair the Vintech 1272 with bright mics.

mmmm

yllet 16th January 2011 10:19 AM

Only way to get the nt2-a natual and pleasing sounding is to record it in a very well treated room and then use eq to compensate for the high boost.

Or even better: Mod it :)

Btw: I actually like the mic, but I am about to mod mine...

/Jon

Red Baron 16th January 2011 07:30 PM

Thank you very much,

Up to now:

Second mic
Nt2a Mod
1073
UA LA-610
UA 6176
Drawmer 1960
Neve 1272
Chandler Germanium
Vintech 1272
A tube preamp with a Mullard tube (really dark) or a GE Jan (big bottom)

If I get a Nt2a Mod, I will have to buy another Nt2a, because it´s great for acoustic guitars, but this no problem because it´s cheap.

joeq 16th January 2011 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by softwareguy (Post 6223351)
I agree with Uncle Duncan. If the mic is too bright, either get it modded or sell it and buy something that works. Don't dig a deeper hole by buying a pre to accomodate it.

+1
another vote against 'fixing' a mics' problems with your preamp choice

mics can have distinctive, even strong EQ curves. Even highly colored preamps are relatively flat compared to colored mics.

imaginaryday 17th January 2011 12:10 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...reampColor.jpg

Slikjmuzik 17th January 2011 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by imaginaryday (Post 6226748)

This is cool, never seen it on there. I'd add the UA 610 onto the list right by the Vintech Dual72 and probably moreso...at least to my ears. These are the 2 I was going to recommend with any bright mic. My Vintech Dual72 is my go to for MANY things. Rich, thick, punchy and just analog sounding in every way. Takes high input, is awesome on loud guitars, forces vocals to sound strong and easy to mix in the box. I absolutely love the pre.

musicianof1 17th January 2011 02:56 AM

I bought the NT2 back in the 90's when I was still using tape. It was decent at the time but since moving to a DAW I have always hated that mic. It's been thru a Vintech 1272, UA 610 and now a Daking MP1. It's still too bright and I have other mics I use instead these days. I will likely get it modded someday down the line when I'm bored.

In short, the pre wasn't enough of a "fix" for me. I'd get another mic or get it modded.

Eirik_A 17th January 2011 10:04 AM

I have used the NT2A with my BAE1073, and it worked out pretty well.
The NT2A is a good performer for the money in my opinion.

steffo 17th January 2011 10:32 AM

I advice you not to buy the Universal Audio Preamp, I wouldnt say it sucks for vocals (even though I pretty much think so) but It has a tube sizzle presence thing going on that is annoying even on a dark mic. Cant see why people consider that pre warm..?

pan60 19th January 2011 06:51 AM

the first thing i thought of the the A-Designs EM-PEQ, the JLM Audio PEQ500, or the new Electrodyne 511.

as for pre's beefy and colored i would lean to;

AML 5003D
Avedis MA5
Pete's Place Electrodyne 501
Great River MP-500NV
Vintech VA 573

also very much worth trying would be the A-Designs EM colors, the JLM Audio TG500, and the LaChapell 583E or 583S

nivek_yoccm 19th January 2011 07:12 AM

I don't know how this technique is received around here as it has the fatal flaw of not requiring the purchase of more gear; but it's worked for me to warm up or make more "natural-sounding" a Rode before:

If you have one, simply use a linear phase eq plugin; and save the preset for that mic. I use the one that comes with Sonar Producer and I think it works very well if it's just an EQ change you're after. It doesn't add any mojo; so sometimes I literally flush cash down the toilet to prep my ears and that does the trick. kfhkh

Red Baron 20th January 2011 12:45 AM

Quote:

I have used the NT2A with my BAE1073, and it worked out pretty well.
Quote:

the first thing i thought of the the A-Designs EM-PEQ, the JLM Audio PEQ500, or the new Electrodyne 511.

as for pre's beefy and colored i would lean to;

AML 5003D
Avedis MA5
Pete's Place Electrodyne 501
Great River MP-500NV
Vintech VA 573

also very much worth trying would be the A-Designs EM colors, the JLM Audio TG500, and the LaChapell 583E or 583S
Colored preams could help, no doubt, thanks

Red Baron 20th January 2011 01:06 AM

Thanks for "the Listening Sessions" chart , and, of course, to Dan Richards to share his chart, really helpful.

http://www.thelisteningsessions.com/micpregraph.htm

lynyrd 20th January 2011 01:44 AM

Seventh Circle Audio N72 is nice and big and full sounding to counter the brightness of the Rode. And in case you were wondering, yes, it is a Neve type of circuit.

Synæsthesiac 20th January 2011 01:59 AM

Recommend dark-sounding preamp for a bright mic like Rode NT2A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lynyrd
Seventh Circle Audio N72 is nice and big and full sounding to counter the brightness of the Rode. And in case you were wondering, yes, it is a Neve type of circuit.

Yes, indeed. These boxes sound very good. I was very impressed.

Astro 20th January 2011 02:00 AM

I have the NT-2 and my LA-610 will "warm" it up a bit. works well...