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TML 15th November 2002 09:10 PM

Drum Samples
 
What do you guys like.....Discrete, Zero-G, Joey Kramer? I'm looking to get some stuff to replace bad sounds. Any input appreciated.
TML

chrisso 15th November 2002 09:30 PM

It REALLY depends on the kind of music you are doing. Failing that, what kind of drum sounds do you like?
Radiohead, Bonham, Stuart Copeland, R&B?

TML 17th November 2002 06:44 PM

Chrisso-
I work on all types of projects. R+B, Punk, AlT Rock and metal. Never used samples much. Wanted to jump into a cd that has a good bang for the buck. Mainly I'm looking for kik and snare sounds. Thanks
TML

groundcontrol 18th November 2002 12:50 AM

I don't know of one drum CD that's strong in every genre. You really have to get one for every style of production .yuktyy

TML 18th November 2002 05:31 AM

I guess my first objective would be to get good rock kik/snare samples.

Bernard 18th November 2002 06:27 AM

Try either or both of the Bob Clearmountain discs. They've been around for a while but they've got killer snares and kicks. Great samples. Still the best drum discs out there as far as I'm concerned.
kfhkh

groundcontrol 18th November 2002 07:14 AM

I've used both BC CD's too and got useful stuff out of them. The Russ Garfield drum doctor CD has been useful also. I never got to listen to the more recent stuff like J. Kramer. Luckily I haven't had to replace drumsounds in the longest time.
Have fun! howdy

chrisso 18th November 2002 11:25 AM

I agree with groundcontrol, I can't think of one product that covers so many bases. You'd probably get away with a couple of purchases though.
There are a lot more 'loop' CD's than single hit construction kits. Most loop CD's include a selection of samples however.
I've never used them but I should think the Clearmountain and Garfield CD's are pretty good. I've used the Pete Erskine disc (from Sampleheads) a helluva lot. Quite a vanilla sound but at least 3 layers of velocity which helps with the realism.
Is 'Backbeat' (from Spectrasonics) out yet?
It features Gregg Bissonette who I think is a great and very versatile player. The 'groove control' feature is quite amazing also.
The problem with the Joey Kramer and Steve Smith CD's is that there isn't a great diversity of sound. There's no argument that the sound is fabulous - if you are into American Rock.
Not my cup of tea though.
Burnin' Grooves by Spectrasonics has a big single hit section. I find a lot of the Spectrasonics drum samples to contain too many 'pingy' snares though.

groundcontrol 18th November 2002 01:04 PM

Chrisso good idea with Spectrasonics (and Ilio their parent company). Most of their stuff is top notch. If they have something on offer it might be very good.

However I think the Burning Groove CD is a bit dated and it doesn't sound really good to me anyway. Too much over-the-top cheapo spanking to start with. Peter Erskine is the opposite, a bit too drab. It's very clean and natural sounding but it doesn't have any balls. You have to seriously abuse the sounds to get some attitude out of there. I once heard a CD by Steve Gadd that sounded good but I don't know what's up with that. It's probably an old release.

The best thing would be to hunt around a bit. If you have a fast internet connection. Go the the "Soundsonline", "East-West" and "Ilio" sites and check their stuff. You can download demos and see what sounds might fit in your type of production.

There are two ways to go at it really. You either find sounds that sound very produced and polished and don't touch them, or you find basic ones that you have to manipulate with the rest of the kit to shape into something that blends well together.

Good luck and keep us posted on your findings! howdy

chrisso 18th November 2002 01:30 PM

Agreed on Burnin' Grooves, I think it sounds terrible but most people seem to think Spectrasonics rule - no matter what.
You're right about Pete Erskine.
The MP3's on the sounds online site are very useful for checking out products.
Another approach would be to sample sounds off your favourite records. I've collected quite a few 'single hits' over the years. Of course it's not always easy to find kick and snare without a hi hat playing along. Single tom hits are even harder to find. Mixing and matching found sounds along with commercially available samples can be fun and creatively rewarding.

TML 18th November 2002 05:57 PM

Thanks for the input. I'm gonna try East-West and sounds on line. I heard the Kramer cd. It seemed to have one vibe.

s2n 18th November 2002 06:36 PM

We have samples that we use for SoundReplacer that Gggarth Richardson and Matt Hyde gave us when they were at our studio. There are samples from Rage Against The Machine, The Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Tool, Motley Crue, NIN, Slayer, No Doubt etc... All incredible samples direct from their respective sessions!

e-cue 19th November 2002 12:32 AM

When I hear these "stock" cd's, I hear maybe 2, or 3 samples I like. I think you'll have better luck trading samples with other engineers. Like many engineer's, I run a drums dat/cd after every mix.

note: My favorite sample on the Clearmountain cd: The Basketball against the control room window.

groundcontrol 19th November 2002 02:50 AM

S2N, you know how we Canadians should always help each others and share the ressources of our great country... heh diddlydoo

Do you need my address? abduction

Renie 19th November 2002 03:00 AM

I think, especially, at times such as these we shouldn't restrict our kindliness to our own countryfolk alone...Gearslutz sans frontieres....????? abduction

groundcontrol 19th November 2002 06:12 AM

Of course now that Chris has posted those Digiworld photos, S2N's samples are probably already in the mail... jkthtyrt

You know what to do once they arrive... heh abduction

s2n 19th November 2002 06:45 PM

I might do a trade for Jules' Atari t-shirt. :)

TML 21st November 2002 05:48 PM

What cd would you guys reccomend for a pop punk rock drum kit. Thanks
TML

recorderman 21st November 2002 07:52 PM

I think that the Ross Grafield II cdrom for samplecell (which I have) is absolutely fantastic. Great variety, very well recorded, and it's easy to blend sounds to get custom super fat kit's. Great percussion to (tambs, shakers, ect).

davemc 22nd November 2002 03:44 PM

Does anyone make a drum CD yet that has sound replacer plugin settings and 3 velocity types. Now that would be nice.

bassmac 22nd November 2002 05:10 PM

A lot of the Clearmountain samples have hard, med and soft hits which work pretty well with Sound Replacer. I also use the Gain plugin to further set the velocity levels of the samples.

e-cue 22nd November 2002 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davemc
Does anyone make a drum CD yet that has sound replacer plugin settings and 3 velocity types. Now that would be nice.
But wouldn't the velocity types totally depend on the program material you are replacing from?

David R. 22nd November 2002 08:32 PM

I have been mining the New York Loops discs.

Hours of fun for the whole family.

TML 23rd November 2002 05:37 AM

Think I'm gonna give the clearmountain stuff a try as well as the Garfield. Just got back from catching Gabiel at Madison Square Garden. ****ing amazing. Lots of tunes had layered-triggered drums. He's puts on a sick show.
TML

mig27 25th November 2002 10:12 AM

let me point out "drumkit from hell".
my go to-disk for rock and alternative stuff.

the kits have separate patches for close miking and room: great to blend tones, squash the room mics etc.

check out the beautiful room response on demo-track nr. 5 "rock drom hell". here's the
link

my 2 cents.


michael

Jules 25th November 2002 01:05 PM

Dunno if I dig the plastic 'clak' on that kick drum...


hjghfgg

mig27 25th November 2002 01:12 PM

agreed, jules.

fortunately, the CD also contains quite different sounding kits, some of them with really dull kicks.

(I hope I don't sound like a troll now... )


cheers,


michael

Kendrix 25th November 2002 03:53 PM

I have the Bob Clearmountain East-West drum samples
(recorded a Bearsville) and they are OK. My favorite/most often used snare is on this disc.

However, I fell in love with many of the sounds on the Steve Gadd sample discs. In particular, the toms have a very natural/woody sound and the room comes through just perfectly.

These Gadd samples come as audio tracks only- so it takes some work to construct a pre-set.

I agree that sample selec tion is highly dependant on the type of music /the sound you are going for- but I find these to be very useful. YMMV

TML 25th November 2002 05:02 PM

The DFH doesn't sound bad. The kik needs to be tightened. Too flappy. I'll have to search for the Gadd audio. The Joey Kramer stuff wasn't bad. I'm just not sure how deep the cd really is. Can't find listings on his site.
TML

chrisso 25th November 2002 08:13 PM

RE: THE DRUM KIT FROM HELL

Listened to the demos, they all sound the same to me. They exhibit a characteristic that I really have a problem with on most drum sample cd's; high pitched, pingy snares. Every one of the demo snares!
How SOS gave it a 5/5 (perfect score) I don't know.