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fromthepuggle 3rd August 2020 04:00 PM

Racked Trident TSM vs reissue A range 500 series eq?
 
Curious how vintage Trident TSM console pre and eq would be vs resissue 500 series eq for 'that' sound.

I'm mostly interested in how the eq compares, as there's no pre in the 500 series (and the reissue with pre is 4k, and some have said the pre sound is really good but perhaps missing something). I've got other top notch pres, though many of my favorite early 70's albume were tracked on A ranges, so would be great to get 'that' sound. I've read the TSM were way better than 80b desks for 'that' tone (silky, full, rich, soft, clear highs), though many love the 80b for its own punchier tone), though the eq can sound a little 'grainy'.

There's also the Ocean Audio Signature 3 (inductors on all four bands?!) and Interphase Audio revision of this (seems pretty identical, with a few additions tho). I'm guessing this would be a cleaner, less mojo version of 'that' sound?

Which route is likely to get closer to 'that' early Trident sound?

toledo3 3rd August 2020 04:13 PM

The Daking MicPreEQ is based the A Range as well. The only thing is that it doesn’t have those cool variable low and high pass.

jellyfishstu 7th August 2020 10:33 PM

I have a TSM. The TSM pres and eq sound great. Definitely on par with other high end pres. The Eq can be a bit grainy in the top end at times but I like it on most sources... The eq sliders tend to be pretty dodgy on the TSM and I haven't found suitable replacement faders. Another thing to consider is that the transformer out is on the busses on the TSM. So with a racked module... you have an input transformer and no output tranny unless you add one.

The Daking stuff is really great, more A range. I probably would be buying a lot of their gear if I didn't have my TSM.

Space1999 8th August 2020 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jellyfishstu (Post 14902782)
I have a TSM. The TSM pres and eq sound great. Definitely on par with other high end pres. The Eq can be a bit grainy in the top end at times but I like it on most sources... The eq sliders tend to be pretty dodgy on the TSM and I haven't found suitable replacement faders. Another thing to consider is that the transformer out is on the busses on the TSM. So with a racked module... you have an input transformer and no output tranny unless you add one.

The Daking stuff is really great, more A range. I probably would be buying a lot of their gear if I didn't have my TSM.

Jellyfish,

Hey thanks for adding that info about the Trident TSM! I have always been under the impression that they were solid boards. As far as the transformers only on the sub outs I figure that was how everything went to tape anyway and why add two trannys in the outgoing signal path.

The pres and the EQs sound like a good thing. I believe John Lennon’s Double Fantasy was tracked on a TSM. How is the maintenance on your console? Do you use the jukebox?

Trident sells the A Range outboard racks and they are pricey but I am willing to bet worth it. I use Arturia’s A-Range plug-in and it is one of those magic bullets where you just can’t make anything sound bad through it. The plug also lets you punch one or more HPF/LPF buttons at a time like the real deal.

I did happen to see a TSM for sale recently where the owner had replaced the EQ faders with pots. So I see where your coming from when you say the faders are “dodgy”.

Anyway, happy to talk to someone who has real world experience with them. Thanks for posting!

Pat

jellyfishstu 8th August 2020 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Space1999 (Post 14903029)
Jellyfish,

Hey thanks for adding that info about the Trident TSM! I have always been under the impression that they were solid boards. As far as the transformers only on the sub outs I figure that was how everything went to tape anyway and why add two trannys in the outgoing signal path.

The pres and the EQs sound like a good thing. I believe John Lennon’s Double Fantasy was tracked on a TSM. How is the maintenance on your console? Do you use the jukebox?

Trident sells the A Range outboard racks and they are pricey but I am willing to bet worth it. I use Arturia’s A-Range plug-in and it is one of those magic bullets where you just can’t make anything sound bad through it. The plug also lets you punch one or more HPF/LPF buttons at a time like the real deal.

I did happen to see a TSM for sale recently where the owner had replaced the EQ faders with pots. So I see where your coming from when you say the faders are “dodgy”.

Anyway, happy to talk to someone who has real world experience with them. Thanks for posting!

Pat

The TSM is a great board and is serving my studio well. They just aren't without their quirks...Like most vintage consoles. I have seen that TSM for sale for a while and I get why they did it. Having the faders... they get a little sticky since they were cheap plastic.... so it's set and forget.... no real way to actuallly recall a mix accurately. I definitely have thought about adding pots... but I think that when the time comes... I think that I will have a lot of faders made to do the retrofit. Crazy... I know... but so is owning a recording studio!
Having Transformers in and out is pretty great. Adds more weight and complexity to my ears... I may be wrong... but using the pres without hitting the bussing is more akin to an 80 series. Not a bad thing... despite what some people might say...some of my favorite records were made on Trident 80 series boards.

The TSM definitely has its share of great records done on them... just look at a lot of the great records to come out The Plant Sausalito. Huey Lewis Sports, Journey, Fleetwood mack... the list goes on.