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matrix 4th July 2020 10:45 AM

Bass approach
 
Hi Jens

Can you please describe your approach in bass when you mix ?

Thanks a lot

Diogo C 6th July 2020 11:27 AM

Yeah that would be great, bass is kind of a murky area of metal production so would love to hear Jen's take on it.

I'd kindly ask Jen to expand a bit on the subject if possible and cover the recording aspects as well.

element0s 6th July 2020 10:37 PM

I would also love to hear about this. Specifically, I would like to hear some thoughts on making the kick, bottom of the rhythm guitars and the bass guitar mesh together. This is my biggest weak spot.

Jens Bogren 7th July 2020 05:48 PM

Well, as loud and proud as I dare. :-)

It's impossible to get a good bass sound out of something that's sub-par on tape. Re-amping will help, but not as much as for guitars. The difference between a poor ESP bass with bad strings and a great Sadowsky with fresh strings is enormous. I change bass strings for every song, or even more often. As soon as it starts sounding dead.

Mixing wise, I often blend a fairly clean amp with sansamp or some other distortion, and a high-passed (around 5k) and limited Di for re-inject string sound into the mix. I tend to use different compressors in series, some in parallel. I might end up with some sort of multiband compression, too. Sometimes I feed the bass to the drum bus, and to the parallel drum compressor. My best tip is to not solo listen to the bass unless you absolutely have to. Also, do different sounds for whenever the bass is playing without rhythm guitars.

matrix 7th July 2020 09:54 PM

Great answer !!! Thank you !!!

Jules 8th July 2020 02:09 PM

Persuading a band that you need a fresh set of bass strings per song can sometimes be difficult!

mattias78 8th July 2020 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jules (Post 14845590)
Persuading a band that you need a fresh set of bass strings per song can sometimes be difficult!

Have the art of boiling the strings disappeared???

I remember recording a album and had to make a visit to one of the producers home to boil my strings in his kitchen. Meanwhile his girlfriend sitting and waiting for the romantic dinner to continue.
I hope they could use the pot again after seeing bits of skin circling around in that.

Hal 9th July 2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Bogren (Post 14843953)
Well, as loud and proud as I dare. :-)

It's impossible to get a good bass sound out of something that's sub-par on tape. Re-amping will help, but not as much as for guitars. The difference between a poor ESP bass with bad strings and a great Sadowsky with fresh strings is enormous. I change bass strings for every song, or even more often. As soon as it starts sounding dead.

Mixing wise, I often blend a fairly clean amp with sansamp or some other distortion, and a high-passed (around 5k) and limited Di for re-inject string sound into the mix. I tend to use different compressors in series, some in parallel. I might end up with some sort of multiband compression, too. Sometimes I feed the bass to the drum bus, and to the parallel drum compressor. My best tip is to not solo listen to the bass unless you absolutely have to. Also, do different sounds for whenever the bass is playing without rhythm guitars.

Great!
Do You Cut some Bass from sansamp (hardware or plugin?) And some high from DI?

Thank you

Jens Bogren 20th July 2020 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hal (Post 14847525)
Great!
Do You Cut some Bass from sansamp (hardware or plugin?) And some high from DI?

Thank you

It depends, no rules. On Di, sometimes I use only the sub info and/or the very high frequencies (5k+) and blend that into my amp signal. That way, I re-vitalize the bass sound with solid low end, and nice string action in the highs.

If you blend stuff like this, make sure it's in phase. I tend to use the Auto-Align plugin from Sound Radix.

Hal 22nd July 2020 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Bogren (Post 14867591)
It depends, no rules. On Di, sometimes I use only the sub info and/or the very high frequencies (5k+) and blend that into my amp signal. That way, I re-vitalize the bass sound with solid low end, and nice string action in the highs.

If you blend stuff like this, make sure it's in phase. I tend to use the Auto-Align plugin from Sound Radix.

Thanxxx!