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kagen 10th November 2019 05:02 PM

Are These People Blocking My Way?
 
It's my second post on this forum first of all. I'm 19 years old and making music since almost last year. I'm trying to learn as much as possible for making my craft
better. Really helpful place to be gotta say and I need your experiences and advice for this one:

My problem is, I have two "rappers" and the one who make their EP is me. When I first started this, they were really into it and gave credit for working hours for vocals, mix and mastering. But, I feel like these people now acting like they don't give a **** about it. And I don't even charge them for recording and other all stuff because we are friends.

I know that If I help them they will succeed but I cannot make beats, record, mix, master and getting just full of empty words exchange my efforts.

What would you do If you were me? You got 2 20 year old guy that are shows talent but they don't even give money or buy me a food for my work or even say some good words. Would you quit and work alone or help them rise with them and keep quiet?

Scragend 10th November 2019 05:28 PM

When they record get them to sign a simple contract that says credit must be given if the tracks are used commercially. If they don't want to do that - show them the door.

Gideon K 13th December 2019 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kagen (Post 14314636)
I feel like these people now acting like they don't give a **** about it. And I don't even charge them for recording and other all stuff because we are friends.

If I could go back and spend my 20s more effectively, something I would do would be to have less patience/hope/denial regarding people who aren't into putting the work and enthusiasm into making music. If they seem uninterested or unmotivated, just spend time looking for more people to collaborate with who are at a similar level to you and who you can learn with and learn from.

Just my advice based on my experience. You can't motivate people who don't want to motivate themselves or take your time seriously.

Good luck.

AnyaR 11th January 2020 02:26 PM

Hi,
They are definitely taking advantage of you. Never let this kind of people around you I am speaking from personal experience. Talk to them and make a deal or quick them out!

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deedeeyeah 11th January 2020 02:43 PM

it is nice and noble plus feels good to be generous...

...until it isn't anymore, people take all things for granted and exploit you.

maybe address it in subtle ways - if they are just roughly on the same page, they should notice and start behaving a bit differently, maybe even apologize; if they don't, let them know that you are no longer willing to work on their songs on end, set a limit and then quit/kick them out.

if you dont, 'the torture never stops' (zappa)!

elektrovolt 11th January 2020 03:12 PM

I agree with the replies above.
They seem to take your work for granted and this happens with many people who work for free. You could tell those rappers about how much time and effort you are putting into their music and you feel they don't respect your efforts.
Be sure to write down your wishes clearly and tell them.
If they take it well and start respecting you again, continue the job and if they don't, do not continue working with them. They won't like that but that is not your problem. Take the loss and look at it as a valuable lesson and find better people to work with.

I did a mixing project some years ago, where they took my efforts for granted and I did it for free because I felt my friend's band should be able to release a good sounding album instead of a crappy demo. I took a few years, mixing in their terrible sounding echo-room with noisy people, trying to fix those aweful sounding recordings. I finished the job, only because I thought my friend should end up with a proper album and I did everything for free. No recognition and in the end they did not release it at all.
It was a big loss, but it taught me not to work with this kind of people. I bet many people have similar experiences.

bitman 11th January 2020 03:33 PM

Gobs of musical, recording and producing skills and talent amounts to something like being a good golfer. You might have the praise of your kin and friends but after while it's just going to be you and that little ball.

I know this because im 58, did what you did at 20, in and out of bands. By 30 quit kicking the door and now it's just my hobby like an old guys train set but slightly more noble maybe.

12ax7 11th January 2020 03:46 PM

I never got screwed on any deal I didn't make.

Xenofon 11th January 2020 04:36 PM

I'm 19 yo and my friend is in the exact same situation.
Everyone wants to be a rapper or producer these days. The lack of musical (and overall) education makes noize sound like music.
My advice would be not to take the credit for making beats. Your friends' enthusiasm is based in your knowledge of fl studio which they lack. Find people that you both have mutual admiration for each other's work. People that respect your art, not just like the idea of having a producer. They would pay for your skills.
I'm glad that at least you, have realised that those "rappers" don't treat you right. :)