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Deleted 76d1bd4 6th March 2019 12:28 PM

Everything's ****, and I'm cynical
 
Does anyone ever feel like everything they love about music is slowly dying, and becoming so part of the status quo and society that's slowly consuming it? I'm trying to become a successful musician and producer but find it so hard to be positive. Its 2019 Everything and everyone seems so sterile, everything's been done, and we're all slowly descending into this chaotic mad world. I feel alienated, unhappy and I wish I was born 30 years earlier...

Brent Hahn 6th March 2019 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Deleted 76d1bd4 (Post 13849055)
Does anyone ever feel like everything they love about music is slowly dying...

All depends. If I just tracked and mixed other people's stuff I might feel that way. But I don't just do that; I write and record my own stuff, and play live, and and I love doing it. And there are a few indie artists who have cut a tune of mine or have one in their live show, and that's hugely gratifying. Gratifying plus lucrative would be better, but hey.

clump 6th March 2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Deleted 76d1bd4 (Post 13849055)
Does anyone ever feel like everything they love about music is slowly dying, and becoming so part of the status quo and society that's slowly consuming it? I'm trying to become a successful musician and producer but find it so hard to be positive. Its 2019 Everything and everyone seems so sterile, everything's been done, and we're all slowly descending into this chaotic mad world. I feel alienated, unhappy and I wish I was born 30 years earlier...

Yep, all the time.... My period as a working musician was 80s early 90s, unfortunately that is the very era which, IMO, music began to die.

Having said that, it is I'm sure a state of mind, the older I become then the more cynical I become also.

There are a pair of brothers from Long Island, Brian and Michael D'Addario.....very young and very very talented, their band 'The Lemon Twigs' renewed my faith in a lot of ways. I shall watch their progress with interest.

The fact that they exist HAS to be good news.....and there must be many more like them under the radar.

audioloud 6th March 2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Deleted 76d1bd4 (Post 13849055)
Does anyone ever feel like everything they love about music is slowly dying, and becoming so part of the status quo and society that's slowly consuming it? I'm trying to become a successful musician and producer but find it so hard to be positive. Its 2019 Everything and everyone seems so sterile, everything's been done, and we're all slowly descending into this chaotic mad world. I feel alienated, unhappy and I wish I was born 30 years earlier...

Hey man !

Hey Jude, don't make it bad
Take a sad song and make it better
Remember to let her into your heart
Then you can start to make it better

Take it easy and do always what YOU like and don't think about the others.
Some days are hard but always do the best job you can so you can look back at yourself and be proud no matter what level of success you obtained.

All the best!!
PS I'm a negative creep

robert82 6th March 2019 04:40 PM

Quiteth not thy day job.

Brent Hahn 6th March 2019 04:45 PM

I do have to say that the radio in my old beater died over a year ago and I don't miss it.

AndreiPiatra 6th March 2019 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by clump (Post 13849075)
There are a pair of brothers from Long Island, Brian and Michael D'Addario.....very young and very very talented, their band 'The Lemon Twigs' renewed my faith in a lot of ways. I shall watch their progress with interest.

The fact that they exist HAS to be good news.....and there must be many more like them under the radar.

Wow, they are incredible, genuine artistry still exists! There's hope alright.

AndreiPiatra 6th March 2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AndreiPiatra (Post 13849974)
Wow, they are incredible, genuine artistry still exists! There's hope alright.

PS : 27k subscribers this band has. :lol: Sadly Politics ruin the music sector big time. There's so much PC in music, film, everywhere you look, yeah, I can see why the OP has had it.
PS2 : I would love to see Paul McCartney's reaction listening this band.

clump 6th March 2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AndreiPiatra (Post 13849974)
Wow, they are incredible, genuine artistry still exists! There's hope alright.

I think they are 19 and 21 years old, maybe a little older? Incredible talent....and their 'pop sensibility' completely belies their youth.

I'm thinking they might be from a distant planet where ALL bands are that good?

henryrobinett 6th March 2019 09:17 PM

Yeah. I don’t listen to the radio about 100% of the time. Write and record my own music, which would never have mass appeal. I’m happy.

ImpulsE69 6th March 2019 09:20 PM

It's just an aging thing. Just be glad you weren't one of those who peaked in high school.

Brent Hahn 6th March 2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpulsE69 (Post 13850017)
It's just an aging thing. Just be glad you weren't one of those who peaked in high school.

Depending on the kind of peak you mean, I probably did but never had the opportunity to demonstrate it.

henryrobinett 6th March 2019 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpulsE69 (Post 13850017)
It's just an aging thing. Just be glad you weren't one of those who peaked in high school.

I still feel I'm yet to reach my peak. OK, I'm an undyingly optimistic 63 year old.

jammate 6th March 2019 09:52 PM

Glad I read this post. I learned about The Lemon Twigs', worth it!

I agree that the "music business" is pumping out cookie cutter music but it always has.

If you are serving yourself, don't worry about it. If you are depending on music for your daily bread, find a great partner.

bmanic 6th March 2019 10:31 PM

I think you guys are way too cynical and quite a bit out of touch with reality. One can only find what one truly seeks.

As for 'The Lemon Twigs'. Yeah, it's ok, even great.. but if this is your idea of "true artistry" then it pretty much highlights why you guys feel so cynical. Just saying.. :cowbell:

Deleted 2915a84 6th March 2019 10:40 PM

Do guys mean pessimistic?

pes·si·mism
/ˈpesəˌmizəm/
noun
a tendency to see the worst aspect of things or believe that the worst will happen; a lack of hope or confidence in the future.

Or do you really mean cynical?
/ˈsinək(ə)l/
1.
believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.
"her cynical attitude"
2.
concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.
"a cynical manipulation of public opinion"


It is smart to be cynical.

It is stupid to be pessimistic.

You’d do well to be cynically optimistic.

It is just a Divine Comedy afterall.

op·ti·mism
/ˈäptəˌmizəm/
1.
hopefulness and confidence about the future or the successful outcome of something.

robert82 6th March 2019 11:12 PM

Pessimism About the Future May Lead to Longer, Healthier Life, Research Finds

brockorama 6th March 2019 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by robert82 (Post 13850230)

That's great I'm gonna live til I'm 100 :cowbell:

Deleted 2915a84 7th March 2019 01:57 AM

live even longer than a stinking pessimist


Harvard researchers find optimism is linked to less disease and longer lifespan.

Is Shrinking Optimism Tied to Drop in U.S. Life Expectancy? | Psychology Today

foxwaves 7th March 2019 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by henryrobinett (Post 13850073)
I still feel I'm yet to reach my peak. OK, I'm an undyingly optimistic 63 year old.

Ditto!

clump 7th March 2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bmanic (Post 13850157)
I think you guys are way too cynical and quite a bit out of touch with reality. One can only find what one truly seeks.

As for 'The Lemon Twigs'. Yeah, it's ok, even great.. but if this is your idea of "true artistry" then it pretty much highlights why you guys feel so cynical. Just saying.. :cowbell:

Of course all artistic interpretation is subjective. My own take on 'The Lemon Twigs' is that it is refreshing to see such young artists who are, not only excellent musicians, but who also have such discerning taste and are not swept along by the status quo in the same way as many of their contemporaries are.

As far as "us guys" being "way too cynical"?.......Give it a few decades, see how you feel then :cowbell:

Zyzygis 7th March 2019 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by foxwaves (Post 13850483)
Ditto!

Ditto!

Brent Hahn 7th March 2019 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by clump (Post 13851044)
My own take on 'The Lemon Twigs' is that it is refreshing to see such young artists who are, not only excellent musicians, but who also have such discerning taste and are not swept along by the status quo in the same way as many of their contemporaries are.

No, they're swept along by the status quo of 1966. Good, though, for what it is. I've got some friends in a Roaring 20's band and they do that really well, too.

Deleted fcbdeac 7th March 2019 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by clump (Post 13851044)
it is refreshing to see such young artists who are, not only excellent musicians, but who also have such discerning taste and are not swept along by the status quo in the same way as many of their contemporaries are.

:facepalm: its like hanson meets the monkeys and or backstreet whatevers all over again... they are props.. only now "they" have the easiest route ala mighty major label google ad cash to make it all become real. please. you can buy the "twigs" clothes in Walmart now ffs...... refreshing :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::lol:

robert82 7th March 2019 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent Hahn (Post 13851443)
No, they're swept along by the status quo of 1966. Good, though, for what it is. I've got some friends in a Roaring 20's band and they do that really well, too.

I felt the same way about Crowded House. I first heard them in about '94, and thought they were some of the best since the Beatles. But that was the thing - it was a very good replication of the style of 60s - 70s guitar bands.

clump 7th March 2019 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent Hahn (Post 13851443)
No, they're swept along by the status quo of 1966. Good, though, for what it is. I've got some friends in a Roaring 20's band and they do that really well, too.

I'd say they're more 70s influenced.....whatever, I find them a refreshing change from 'autotune on the gridsville' which (IMO, I hasten to add) is becoming frighteningly normalised.

clump 7th March 2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Deleted fcbdeac (Post 13851463)
:facepalm: its like hanson meets the monkeys and or backstreet whatevers all over again... they are props.. only now "they" have the easiest route ala mighty major label google ad cash to make it all become real. please. you can buy the "twigs" clothes in Walmart now ffs...... refreshing :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::lol:

The fact that you think that it's about clothes speaks volumes.

And please....facepalms???? what are you 11?

Deleted fcbdeac 7th March 2019 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by clump (Post 13851480)
The fact that you think that it's about clothes speaks volumes.

And please....facepalms???? what are you 11?

I just think it is hilarious that anyone would consider this a serious band or anything even remotely to do with something basement garage fresh, original, unique, refreshing or non "autotune" whatever... they're controlled and manufactured from a-z, 100% the exact opposite of what you think it is. Granted the over all package is there.. everywhere, for everyone, all of a sudden.. big surprise. And that is the point. Job well done Google. :facepalm:

clump 7th March 2019 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Deleted fcbdeac (Post 13851514)
I just think it is hilarious that anyone would consider this a serious band or anything even remotely to do with something basement garage fresh, original, unique, refreshing or non "autotune" whatever... they're controlled and manufactured from a-z, 100% the exact opposite of what you think it is. Granted the over all package is there.. everywhere, for everyone, all of a sudden.. big surprise. And that is the point. Job well done Google. :facepalm:

Well if that is the case then surely the "controlled manufacture" has failed? Because they don't come close to their contemporaries in terms of sales.

I'm aware of 'marketing and packaging' it has been a constant within pop music since the year dot, I don't agree with your opinion however that The Lemon Twigs are an example of it.

You compare them to Hanson?.....The brothers in The Lemon Twigs are proficient musicians to say the least......the guys in Hanson have admitted that they didn't even play on their releases, so I don't think the comparison works.....and we could all go on and on and on about what constitutes 'originality' but we'd just end up in a row over semantics.

I've been around long enough to know what I like and why I like it.

You're obviously not a fan, that's fine, but as I stated earlier, it is all subjective.....I just don't understand this thing (particular to social media it seems) whereby individuals feel the need to ridicule those who's tastes in music/art they don't share.