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Dave east 12th August 2018 03:28 PM

Waves SSL 4000 E vs. BrainWorx SSL 4000 E
 
Which one should l get? Both have great reviews. Anyone with expirence with both?

I wanna use this in S1. Waves 4000 E is $108 thats not bad. Brainwx is $299. Both authorized by Solid State.
I wonder if the new Faderport will work with those SSLs.
I would really love SSL XL 9000 K. If any seen that in software let me know.


Wow! Brainwx has that "TMT" section which seems to blow Waves out the box.
http://img1.imagehousing.com/0/avatar-569748.png


WAVES SSL 4000 E
http://img1.imagehousing.com/0/avatar-684752.jpg

luka 15th August 2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave east (Post 13466289)
Waves 4000 E is $108 thats not bad. Brainwx is $299. Both authorized by Solid State.

FYI you can score Wave for less. I just had Wave SSL E for about €30 at a flash sale.

Here is an interesting post with audio clips hooppie SSL Channel Shootout (bx_SSL E, Waves, Duende v6, Console 1)

waltercruz 15th August 2018 07:24 PM

Waves SSL was $29 2 days ago. And of course, this promo will appear again, eventually.

scottym 18th August 2018 04:43 AM

You will find the full SSL9000K mixing desk, as part of Propellerheads Reason daw software or the original Propellerheads Record (Now discontinued due to full native integration with Reason 6 and since). It's the closest of the software emulation's there is..and it's complete unlike those cut down plugins.

In any case, using channel strips in Studio One like those kinda defeats the purpose of the flexibility provided by the way Studio One handles plugin's. Using mixers on top of mixers will just really confuse you more and possibly frustrate you, when it comes to the whole mixing process. In essence, you don't need them..

Dave east 20th August 2018 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by scottym (Post 13474961)
You will find the full SSL9000K mixing desk, as part of Propellerheads Reason daw software or the original Propellerheads Record (Now discontinued due to full native integration with Reason 6 and since). It's the closest of the software emulation's there is..and it's complete unlike those cut down plugins.

In any case, using channel strips in Studio One like those kinda defeats the purpose of the flexibility provided by the way Studio One handles plugin's. Using mixers on top of mixers will just really confuse you more and possibly frustrate you, when it comes to the whole mixing process. In essence, you don't need them..

Well, I wouldn't come confused in using them, but what would boil my blood is if it drains my CPU. Oh man that would seriously get under my skin. The Reason SSL is really nice because of its set up it looks really good and great with controllers. It's set up like a desk.

scottym 21st August 2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave east (Post 13478705)
Well, I wouldn't come confused in using them, but what would boil my blood is if it drains my CPU. Oh man that would seriously get under my skin. The Reason SSL is really nice because of its set up it looks really good and great with controllers. It's set up like a desk.

In Presonus Studio One 3/3.5, my track counts can range from 40 - 180. With Reason and it's SSL mixer, it would simply be a nightmare to manage that many.

In Studio One, adding these virtual SSL mixers to each of them would kill my CPU by the time I'd have got quarter of the way there... and that's a with an overclocked I7 920 Quadcore desktop system @ 3.56 Ghz. They are almost completely unnecessary plugins... that you would only use in cases that you would only really use along side a real SSL mixing desk for mixing purposes of stems, or live recording.

With music production, there are no hard and fast rules but recommendations based on one's experience...

If you're new to music production, it's far more important to learn how to mix, than what extra layers you can add on top that can complicate things.

Dave east 25th August 2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scottym (Post 13479981)
In Presonus Studio One 3/3.5, my track counts can range from 40 - 180. With Reason and it's SSL mixer, it would simply be a nightmare to manage that many.

In Studio One, adding these virtual SSL mixers to each of them would kill my CPU by the time I'd have got quarter of the way there... and that's a with an overclocked I7 920 Quadcore desktop system @ 3.56 Ghz. They are almost completely unnecessary plugins... that you would only use in cases that you would only really use along side a real SSL mixing desk for mixing purposes of stems, or live recording.

With music production, there are no hard and fast rules but recommendations based on one's experience...

If you're new to music production, it's far more important to learn how to mix, than what extra layers you can add on top that can complicate things.

My method is totally different than yours. First off l never go over 40 tracks and l don't see the nightmare you're talking about eith using Reason.
I print what l need to the tracks i.e. Reverbs, compression etc.
I do understand your point.

bace 26th August 2018 07:12 AM

You can checkout Softube. They have both SSL 4000 and 9000. (And unfortunately they have a huge dongle with that)

optikstrange 26th August 2018 08:08 AM

The Waves SSL E & G are $29 right now but will end in 24 hours or less. I would definitely grab it. I use both of these in every session and they are my fav's. I also have the BX console E which I havent used much but its pretty dam amazing. The most recent versions of Studio One has Console shaper built-in. The whole audio engine in S1 has been programmed to sound like a console all the way to the summing which is supposed to act like a SSL board so you might have some SSL mojo in S1 already.

Grab the waves here if you're interested --> Analog Modeled Plugins | Waves

optikstrange 26th August 2018 08:13 AM

Looks like its an add-on. Here you go! - CTC-1 Pro Console Shaper | PreSonus Shop

Dave east 26th August 2018 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bace (Post 13487123)
You can checkout Softube. They have both SSL 4000 and 9000. (And unfortunately they have a huge dongle with that)

Thanks good looking out in the SSL 9000. I have some softube stuff already.

But the SSL 9000 is set up to be controlled on Console 1. And its $299

http://img1.imagehousing.com/0/avatar-813496.png

Dave east 9th September 2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by optikstrange (Post 13487153)
The Waves SSL E & G are $29 right now but will end in 24 hours or less. I would definitely grab it. I use both of these in every session and they are my fav's. I also have the BX console E which I havent used much but its pretty dam amazing. The most recent versions of Studio One has Console shaper built-in. The whole audio engine in S1 has been programmed to sound like a console all the way to the summing which is supposed to act like a SSL board so you might have some SSL mojo in S1 already.

Grab the waves here if you're interested --> Analog Modeled Plugins | Waves

I have the SSL E Channel 4000 from Waves can't beat $29 :-)
You saud BX SSL 4000 channel E is amazing why not use it over the Waves SSL?

I've studied the BX SSL 4000 channel E and its exactly like the desk. As a matter of fact you can take the black LF buttons and turn it Brown giving a softer LF. They have it where you can have the orange knobs in the other section. That type of desk only exist in Japan but BX has it.

This year or the beginning of next year l will cop the BX SSL 4000 channel E. They have Waves beat on this one plus SSL helped them with that project.

bace 9th September 2018 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave east (Post 13487434)
Thanks good looking out in the SSL 9000. I have some softube stuff already.

But the SSL 9000 is set up to be controlled on Console 1. And its $299

http://img1.imagehousing.com/0/avatar-813496.png

That is theit take on API. However I think it is the same price for SSL 9000.

Dave east 9th September 2018 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bace (Post 13509980)
That is theit take on API. However I think it is the same price for SSL 9000.

BX SSL 4000 channel E l seen it for $349 at plugin Alliance.

How much is the ssl 9000?

Macky 1st March 2019 03:59 PM

24hr flash sale $49

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/deal...l#post13832151

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Deleted 3284bb9 1st March 2019 04:21 PM

I got the Brainworx one and after what must be a decade or thereabouts of using Waves SSL I reach for the Brainworx one. Over the course of a mix it just seems to do something nice with depth.

I'd recommend testing them, demo them both. I don't know what style you mix but if you mix live drums do this:

Mix the drums with the waves SSL channel

Then mix them with the brainworx one and see what you like best.

I did, I matched them up by ear close enough and it was a considerable difference. If you don't mix live drums do it with whatever you mix.

Lewpscf63 1st March 2019 05:31 PM

I have a code for Bx Console SSL channel E valid for 24hrs only $49 here you go: 24H-conS-E-49-190301

Lewpscf63 1st March 2019 05:31 PM

I have a code for Bx Console SSL channel E valid for 24hrs only $49 here you go: 24H-conS-E-49-190301

Dave east 23rd March 2019 04:15 AM

kfhkh nice Time to get BX

EBDA1176 13th March 2020 02:12 AM

Not even a contest. Waves are horrid, bx console is amazing. PA/brainworx have some of the best sounding analog emu eq and compressors

Quetz 14th March 2020 03:29 PM

I can't believe that Console 1 hasn't been mentioned, or has it?

Buy the Console 1 hardware and you'll get one of the best SL4000E emulations out there, plus they usually bundle either the Neve or API too.

Plus, you can get the 9000XL you're after for it, and on top of all that you get the dedicated hardware control as well, which has full integration in S1.

No-brainer, honestly.

raal 29th May 2020 06:05 PM

Console 1 is great but frustrating to use with Protools, so i retired it for now.

After comparing Bx 4000 to Waves CLA Mixhub, my go to 4000 emulation has been Waves CLA Mixhub. Started using the Bx 9000J yesterday next to Mixhub, and think they’re both great. The cliche, 9000 for hifi and 4000 for rock n’roll, i think applies to these; can easily see relying on both for pretty much everything, depending on source. Looking forward to whatever Waves comes up with 9000 wise.