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Jazz+ 18th May 2018 12:13 AM

Reverb pedal for Vocals and Guitar?
 
Hi. I have an EV PA system and a Mackie mixer that is very clean and full range. I go direct with my Telecaster and vocal mic into the mixer. I want to add reverb in the loop and I would also like a modest delay for that Mike Stern jazz style single note lead. I was going to buy a TC Hall Of Fame Reverb mini (beautiful sound) but then I noticed the EHX Canyon has a plate “Verb” and delay setting combination. I am thinking I could get the best of both worlds with just the one Canyon pedal. Would the Canyon plate “Verb” set to 3 ms be appropriate for a both guitar and my vocal in my mixer aux effects loop? I play blues and jazz, Latin, Beatles, B.B King and funk. No hard rock really. I am also considering adding a Roland Blues Driver for that guitar

davet 18th May 2018 02:58 PM

Neunabur
 
Not certain this box will get you where you want to go, but it might:

https://neunaber.net/collections/ped...oducts/immerse

I have a Wet Reverb 3 that sounds very good, works great.

wrgkmc 18th May 2018 04:04 PM

The issue is you're playing guitar through what's essentially a Hi Fi system. Most guitar type echo/reverb units are voiced for a guitar amps which produce allot of midrange and practically no top end at all. Running a voice through that kind of unit connected to a PA Typically produces telephone type resonances and are often way too noisy on the top end. You may come across a digital unit that's quiet enough but you may wind up going through allot of units to find one that even comes close to working.

My advice is, use a unit designed for vocals. You're already adapting your guitar's tone to go through a PA and because the guitar "Backs" the vocals you'd want the vocals to sound their best in all cases so to me this is a no brainer. Get yourself something like an Alesis, or Lexicon echo/reverb unit and stick it in the PA's effects loop and dial up what you need for the vocals and guitar. This is how its done when running live sound and whether the guitar is direct or coming from a miced amp is immaterial.

If you want to use a secondary echo/reverb unit for the guitar then that's your choice. You can buy all kinds of multieffects units which can not only provide you the reverbs you want but they can also add any or all the other effects you'd typically feed a guitar amp including amp head and cab modeling unique to guitar and designed for DI use. I use a simple Vox Stomplab 1G pedal when I jam with my buddies and don't feel like hauling an amp. The PA has its own effects which we dial up to make the vocals sound good. I wouldn't dream of running the vocals through a guitar effect because I been there and done it and know the results are garbage.

Jazz+ 18th May 2018 04:49 PM

Thank you, great advice! kfhkh

enorbet2 23rd May 2018 04:32 AM

Here's an idea. Since you have apparently heard and like both the TC and the EHX and since they are both right around 100bux, why not get one of each? You could even space that out over some time if your budget is constrained. Personally while i like them both i like the TC a lot more because it is a bit more serious and less "novelty'.. There's nothing at all wrong with "novelty" except that it usually gets tired more quickly than "meat and potatoes".

John Eppstein 24th May 2018 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrgkmc (Post 13323826)
The issue is you're playing guitar through what's essentially a Hi Fi system. Most guitar type echo/reverb units are voiced for a guitar amps which produce allot of midrange and practically no top end at all. Running a voice through that kind of unit connected to a PA Typically produces telephone type resonances and are often way too noisy on the top end. You may come across a digital unit that's quiet enough but you may wind up going through allot of units to find one that even comes close to working.

My advice is, use a unit designed for vocals. You're already adapting your guitar's tone to go through a PA and because the guitar "Backs" the vocals you'd want the vocals to sound their best in all cases so to me this is a no brainer. Get yourself something like an Alesis, or Lexicon echo/reverb unit and stick it in the PA's effects loop and dial up what you need for the vocals and guitar. This is how its done when running live sound and whether the guitar is direct or coming from a miced amp is immaterial.

If you want to use a secondary echo/reverb unit for the guitar then that's your choice. You can buy all kinds of multieffects units which can not only provide you the reverbs you want but they can also add any or all the other effects you'd typically feed a guitar amp including amp head and cab modeling unique to guitar and designed for DI use. I use a simple Vox Stomplab 1G pedal when I jam with my buddies and don't feel like hauling an amp. The PA has its own effects which we dial up to make the vocals sound good. I wouldn't dream of running the vocals through a guitar effect because I been there and done it and know the results are garbage.

For once we agree, mostly, anyway. There are a few guitar effects I've used on vocals, primarily the original (tape) Roland Space Echo (I've also used the Boss pedal - it's usable in noncritical situations but clearly inferior to the real thing) but there are very few. The only current one that comes to mind is the H9 Harmonizer. What I generally use in club PA systems are an old Roland SDE-1000 delay and an Alesis microverb. Both do a good job and are available dirt cheap on the used market. In the studio I use a Lexicon PCM-90 and..... a Roland SDE-1000.

enorbet2 25th May 2018 04:47 AM

I agree that for club pa work Alesis did make some decent reverbs, but I have to say all of the Alesis models are pretty much eclipsed these days by TC Electronics Hall of Fame reverb. That is one superb little pedal.

onewire 26th May 2018 03:17 PM

Might be frowned upon here (not sure) but how about one of these?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-play-electric

And their review:
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/ha...play-electric/

Not sure it ticks all the boxes but you don't have to use all the bells and whistles.

I have the acoustic version so no experience with this model.

nyandres 9th June 2018 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewire (Post 13338378)
Might be frowned upon here (not sure) but how about one of these?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-play-electric

And their review:
https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/ha...play-electric/

Not sure it ticks all the boxes but you don't have to use all the bells and whistles.

I have the acoustic version so no experience with this model.

Not sure how close that is to their voicelive... But I've recorded vocals with the voicelive.. The reverb and vox effects are pretty decent... The guitar effects are poor though... Like they work, but relative to proper guitar effects it sounds too studioish.

grannis 10th June 2018 02:42 PM

The TC Play Electric will give you reverb, delay and other effects for Vox and Guitar, plus it does some passable cab emulation which will make your guitar sound better through the PA

Deleted 691ca21 15th June 2018 04:47 PM

Eventide H9

ido1957 16th June 2018 05:22 PM

I also recommend a Lexicon - I use a PCM80 which has a couple of excellent reverb patches.
Every so often, you'll hear a tail on a vocal line which just blows me away with its rich sound.

merco19 8th August 2020 04:38 AM

What these guys ended up recommending is mostly studio /large venue stuff, and I think most are being super extra picky. If you're just playing a small cafe gig, or a bar gig. I think it's fine to use a guitar pedal. I heard a singer songwriter sing alone with her guitar, putting her vocals and guitar through a standard Boss RV-6 pedal, and it was not only beautiful, but clear and crisp. I know this is 2 years later, but leaving this comment here for future reference. I think most pedals, as long as they are a reliable brand will work. With that said, how you EQ the whole mix will probably have a large impact on how it sounds, and just don't overdo it with the reverb. If you're just starting, then experiment. Maybe ask to borrow one from a friend before you buy. If it sounds good, it's good. No matter if it wasn't necessarily made for that purpose in mind.

John Eppstein 12th August 2020 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enorbet2 (Post 13336224)
I agree that for club pa work Alesis did make some decent reverbs, but I have to say all of the Alesis models are pretty much eclipsed these days by TC Electronics Hall of Fame reverb. That is one superb little pedal.

The good thing about the Microverb is that you can find them for $25-$50. Which is really cheap. And they sound pretty good for the money.

John Eppstein 12th August 2020 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merco19 (Post 14903180)
What these guys ended up recommending is mostly studio /large venue stuff, and I think most are being super extra picky. If you're just playing a small cafe gig, or a bar gig. I think it's fine to use a guitar pedal. I heard a singer songwriter sing alone with her guitar, putting her vocals and guitar through a standard Boss RV-6 pedal, and it was not only beautiful, but clear and crisp. I know this is 2 years later, but leaving this comment here for future reference. I think most pedals, as long as they are a reliable brand will work. With that said, how you EQ the whole mix will probably have a large impact on how it sounds, and just don't overdo it with the reverb. If you're just starting, then experiment. Maybe ask to borrow one from a friend before you buy. If it sounds good, it's good. No matter if it wasn't necessarily made for that purpose in mind.

Most guitar pedals do not give you a "wet only" output and that's what you're going to need.

lame pseudonym 12th August 2020 04:30 AM

But don't get an Alesis Nanoverb. It comes from a post-Alesis time when Alesis wasn't the Alesis that was writing great reverbs.


DING DING DING Correction: I mean Picoverb. I was thinking about the Picoverb.