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Prickstein 23rd April 2007 01:55 AM

Making PT work for you
 
HI Tchad,
you mentioned in another thread that you are starting to mix a lot more in the box because you're learning how to.
What plug ins/techniques have you discovered to help achieve the sound you're after?

tchadb 23rd April 2007 12:05 PM

In the box
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Prickstein (Post 1244946)
HI Tchad,
you mentioned in another thread that you are starting to mix a lot more in the box because you're learning how to.
What plug ins/techniques have you discovered to help achieve the sound you're after?

Lots of great stuff out there. URS API EQ is my fav. Massey MT4 compressor for light level control. Compressors are the week link for me just now. They're great at doing a job and being transparent but I usually want a bit of character in a compressor which I still only get in the analog world. Tape simulators give the most character compress I've heard so far such as Massey and McDSP.
Eventide Omnipressor comes very close to real fun. DD Smack is good.
URS, Massey, McDSP, Soundtoys, Phoenix, Prosonique, SSL, iZotope, Ohmboyz. All great.
Audioease stuff blows me away. Can't wait for Speakerphone.

I set PT up like a normal desk. API EQ and MT4 on every channel before I start. Many of them won't get used but I have an ICON which works well like this. Sometimes feels like I haven't changed things so much from being at an analog desk. It's taken me six solid months of recording and mixing this way to START feeling comfortable but I'm lovin it now.

tclash 23rd April 2007 04:51 PM

Comp character
 
Hey again Tchad-

It's really cool of you to take the time to do this. Thanks for responing to my earlier question. I'm well, thanks.

The big question is: When is someone going to model the SS 610 and Shure Level Lok? confoosed

bforest4 23rd April 2007 07:29 PM

Hi Tchad, wondering if you use an analog summing box or just mix all inside protools. During mixing, do you insert any analog gear either on individual tracks or the master stereo output? Do you still go to big studios to do your final mixes, or are you trying to do all your work on your home setup?

tchadb 23rd April 2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tclash (Post 1245415)
Hey again Tchad-

It's really cool of you to take the time to do this. Thanks for responing to my earlier question. I'm well, thanks.

The big question is: When is someone going to model the SS 610 and Shure Level Lok? confoosed

I wonder if you can do it with Speakerphone. I'll try when it comes out.

tchadb 23rd April 2007 08:13 PM

summig
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bforest4 (Post 1245733)
Hi Tchad, wondering if you use an analog summing box or just mix all inside protools. During mixing, do you insert any analog gear either on individual tracks or the master stereo output? Do you still go to big studios to do your final mixes, or are you trying to do all your work on your home setup?

All in the box except for the odd effect, compression...? I'm doing all my mixing at Mongrel (home). Still track at Real World.

Jules 23rd April 2007 08:39 PM

So if I may, what is your home studio set up?

A Digidesign Icon?

A bunch of ourboard?

Is there a website for the studio?

Or yourself?

Many thanks! kfhkh

littledoodler 23rd April 2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tchad blake (Post 1245818)
I wonder if you can do it with Speakerphone. I'll try when it comes out.

Personally a bit tired of waiting for this software to come out. Its a year behind schedule!

tchadb 24th April 2007 01:57 PM

Gear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jules (Post 1245881)
So if I may, what is your home studio set up?

A Digidesign Icon?

A bunch of ourboard?

Is there a website for the studio?

Or yourself?

Many thanks! kfhkh

No websites yet. I've got a collection of gear that's to much to list here but I'm still using all my mainstays you've already heard of.
New stuff = the Toft ATB 32 desk(wicked), PT accel HD 5, DD ICON(fantastic), Linn328As(love'm), Studio projects T3 & B1 mics(great AND cheap), iMac for running stand alone virtual instruments(motu/native stuff.Can't get m-tron working and can't get a response from the company?????), James Trussart guitars (the best ever.)

recall 24th April 2007 02:30 PM

Hi Tchad,

I had the same issue with the M-tron. It took a while to get it to run and get a response from g-force but they did get back to me and we did sort it after a few emails, so hopefully you will too.

Its a fantastic piece of software.

Kris 24th April 2007 04:47 PM

Have you been tempted yet to bus your tracks out to the ATB and do a mix on it like the 'old days' or are you just having too much fun with the ICON in the box?

tho_dk 24th April 2007 06:00 PM

Just a little clarifying question: You said that you only started using Protools recently .... so up until then was everything you mixed recorded to tape or transfered to tape before you mixed it?

And thanks so much for taking the time to do this!

Best regards
Thomas

tchadb 24th April 2007 06:03 PM

Way too much fun
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris (Post 1247343)
Have you been tempted yet to bus your tracks out to the ATB and do a mix on it like the 'old days' or are you just having too much fun with the ICON in the box?

I've mixed on a analog desk> tape for 20 years, I'm ready for something new. WhooHa.

Sevendogs 25th April 2007 06:04 PM

Do you leave the API Eq and MT4 on every channel or turn off the channel that dont need those ?

And what do you put on your master fader ?

cooge cooge cooge cooge

lamp 25th April 2007 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tchad blake (Post 1247108)
Studio projects T3 & B1 mics(great AND cheap)

Great of you to do the Q&A, thank you Mr Blake. What do you like the B1 on?

tchadb 27th April 2007 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tho_dk (Post 1247456)
Just a little clarifying question: You said that you only started using Protools recently .... so up until then was everything you mixed recorded to tape or transfered to tape before you mixed it?

And thanks so much for taking the time to do this!

Best regards
Thomas

Protools has been the 'tape deck' for about five years now with the odd session really on tape. I always had an assistant and never touched PT until the Phish record 2(?) years ago.
I bought my first rig last year and started to use it myself regularly in September.
Up until last year, all different M.O.'s. Mostly, track to tape then transfer to PT's. More recently it's all Tools.
Mixage, to SADiE and .25 tape 15ips dolbySR ATR100. I'd say 70% of the time SADiE won out on what went to mastering.

thearnicasync 27th April 2007 02:06 PM

Hi Tchad,

If your Imac is intel, you need that Universal Binary Update. Which I can't even figure out how to purchase from the website.

kb

tchadb 27th April 2007 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thearnicasync (Post 1253037)
Hi Tchad,

If your Imac is intel, you need that Universal Binary Update. Which I can't even figure out how to purchase from the website.

kb

Exactly!!!!!!

Martian 28th April 2007 07:26 AM

Hey Tchad, great of you to hang out!

Have you done any work yet where you have tracked and mixed completely ITB? If so what album?

Thanks kfhkh

tchadb 29th April 2007 10:12 AM

all ITB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martian (Post 1254291)
Hey Tchad, great of you to hang out!

Have you done any work yet where you have tracked and mixed completely ITB? If so what album?

Thanks kfhkh

I'm just finishing State Radio's new album, all done ITB.
Mixed ITB: new Suzanne Vega, Crowded House, Conil.

Early days.

5down1up 29th April 2007 02:09 PM

Hi Tchad !

Can you tell us a lil about your mixing templates using protools ?
Guess you have a standart config with a layout that pops up when you start your mixing sessions ? Are you using procsessing on individual tracks or are you a busing maniac ?

12 zillions of Qs more to come jkthtyrt

THX for sharing your ideas stike

Have a good day, Kai

tchadb 2nd May 2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sevendogs (Post 1249484)
Do you leave the API Eq and MT4 on every channel or turn off the channel that dont need those ?

And what do you put on your master fader ?

cooge cooge cooge cooge

On all channels, many don't get used but are there.

Just now 2 buss=Phoenix+ML4000

tchadb 2nd May 2007 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamp (Post 1249691)
Great of you to do the Q&A, thank you Mr Blake. What do you like the B1 on?

Everything so far.

tchadb 2nd May 2007 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5down1up (Post 1255174)
Hi Tchad !

Can you tell us a lil about your mixing templates using protools ?
Guess you have a standart config with a layout that pops up when you start your mixing sessions ? Are you using procsessing on individual tracks or are you a busing maniac ?

12 zillions of Qs more to come jkthtyrt

THX for sharing your ideas stike

Have a good day, Kai

Mostly individual. URS API+Massey CT4 on very channel.

tchadb 2nd May 2007 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris (Post 1247343)
Have you been tempted yet to bus your tracks out to the ATB and do a mix on it like the 'old days' or are you just having too much fun with the ICON in the box?

I'm really liking the box so for now no summing.

seawell 2nd May 2007 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tchad blake (Post 1259308)
On all channels, many don't get used but are there.

Just now 2 buss=Phoenix+ML4000

Do you ever use the Phoenix plug-in on individual tracks as well as the 2-buss? What setting do you like on the 2-buss? Thanks for doing this!

tchadb 3rd May 2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seawell (Post 1259404)
Do you ever use the Phoenix plug-in on individual tracks as well as the 2-buss? What setting do you like on the 2-buss? Thanks for doing this!


Oh yeh, I mix Phoenix and Tape Head on different things individually. I use them as compressors. They have character.

2b=Dark Essence, saphire.

talldean 4th May 2007 05:52 AM

hey tchad, like everyone else around here, i'm a big fan, and when i see your name on a cd, i know i have to listen. ron sexsmith's whereabouts and suzanne vega's nine objects kick my ass when i listen, and usually my client freak out at how good they sound. the bottom end on nine objects especially is unbeleivable. i have no idea how you do it. anyway, are you using higher sample rates in pt and do you use the urs api "550" or the "560" eq's? or both. thanks for being around and letting us ask you stupid questions like the one i just posted

mcsnare 4th May 2007 01:27 PM

Hey Tchad, Dave McNair here. How did you arrive at the ML 4000 on the 2 mix? Did you try any of the SSL style emulations? Just curious. I've been mixing totally ITB these days as well, and I'm lovin it. Good to 'see' you.
Dave

Russell Elevado 4th May 2007 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tchad blake (Post 1247462)
I've mixed on a analog desk> tape for 20 years, I'm ready for something new. WhooHa.

hello tchad,

i hope you're having fun as i had, at the guest spot here. i finished up my Q&A just before you. it was quite hard remembering all the things i did but it was great fun. hope it all goes well for you too...

first i wanted to tell you that i enjoy listening to your work. nice to hear other people doing creative mixing and apporoach. i couldn't resist posting something on this thread. during my Q&A, i've made it quite clear that i'm not the biggest fan of mixing ITB. i'm wondering if jules filtered out some of the negative responses to my posts? (never would edit a guests posts! - Jules heh )i was suprised (as other people) that you're mixing primarily ITB. i've not been able to embrace the technology, sound or ergonmics of DAW's. i'm still doing about 75% of my tracking/mixing from and to tape. i know a lot of veteran engineer/producers that have gone completely DAW and to me it seemed like more convenience than preference. i see that you've got all the latest and greatest plug-ins and such but i still don't know how you could completely abandon the analog desk and outboard? i could just be completely ignorant because of my limited experience, but i'm curious to know your views from one experienced engineer to another.

--has the transition been a combination of convenience, budget and because you love the sound, editing and manipulation possibilities? or is it because you just want to try something new and nothing technically related at all?

--since you've had so much exposure to the best gear in the world, do you feel your DAW system and mixing ITB compromises depth and warmth as compared to an analog desk and outboard? or do you feel you can generally achieve the same results and all things are equal?

--what convertors and clocking do you prefer? i guess you're using less D/A these days but nonetheless, what's your preferences?

-- and what's your take on the fader at "0" equals optimum resolution theory. it's an issue that is not mentioned much and i'm wondering how much of that is a factor ITB. what's your thoughts?
Quote:

("curve dominant" sent me this email in response to this---"This was an issue when the old PT Mix systems' internal processing operated at 24-bit fixed-point math. In those systems, reducing the fader level would indeed degrade the audio on that channel to an extent. Since the introduction of 48-bit fixed point internal math processing, and the dithered mixer, this is no longer an issue.") thanks eric!

all the best