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carlheinz 22nd April 2007 02:55 PM

knowing when "it's done" when mixing
 
Thanks Tchad!
I realize every artist will vary when it comes to this...but...Budget aside...With the seemingly endless options we have in the rec studio these days,It's easy to keep working on something till it's overbaked.When mixing,How or when do you come to the point where you say"this is done"...especially if like Peter Gabriel is down the hall after recording something over a 10 year period.Not an easy task to say"yeah,here it is Pete"...or mabie it is!Is there a specific sound you like to arrive at that you have in mind or is your approach to mixing more trial and error before you go back to things you know that have worked for you in the past.Is there a final inspection you go through before inviting everyone in to listen or sending a mix off.Do you put the mix on your ipod/earbuds and go for a bike ride?Or..(joking here)do you just say to the artist I didn't use the the other 96 tracks of ideas because they really compete that killer vocal" or.....and finally...what is the most time you've spent mixing a song?-Sorry if this got more involved!

tchadb 22nd April 2007 07:55 PM

mix time
 
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Originally Posted by carlheinz (Post 1244099)
Thanks Tchad!
I realize every artist will vary when it comes to this...but...Budget aside...With the seemingly endless options we have in the rec studio these days,It's easy to keep working on something till it's overbaked.When mixing,How or when do you come to the point where you say"this is done"...especially if like Peter Gabriel is down the hall after recording something over a 10 year period.Not an easy task to say"yeah,here it is Pete"...or mabie it is!Is there a specific sound you like to arrive at that you have in mind or is your approach to mixing more trial and error before you go back to things you know that have worked for you in the past.Is there a final inspection you go through before inviting everyone in to listen or sending a mix off.Do you put the mix on your ipod/earbuds and go for a bike ride?Or..(joking here)do you just say to the artist I didn't use the the other 96 tracks of ideas because they really compete that killer vocal" or.....and finally...what is the most time you've spent mixing a song?-Sorry if this got more involved!

All of the above and... I don't know. I get a mix finished to my ears then the artist has a go and usually improves on my mix. I like the collaboration.
When the artist is present, I feel freer to experiment. That said, with the PT's/DigiDelivery mixing in the box thing, it's easy to have five songs going at once so if the artist can't be there it's easy to back and forth with changes.
Longest mix time,
Five days running, not counting two recalls, is the longest I've ever spent on a mix, but it included re-arranging and recording new parts.
Just purely mixing, three days. A binaural mix done for Sam Phillips record Martinis and Bikinis, track was 'Black Sky'. All sounds were sent through 10-12 different guitar amps or p.a.'s set up around the room and recorded through a Neuman Head direct to two track. A lot of the balancing was done by physicaly moving the amps (some were in metal trash cans) around the room.
That was fun. I won't say it's a great mix, but it was fun.

Timsplace 23rd April 2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tchad blake (Post 1244449)
That said, with the PT's/DigiDelivery mixing in the box thing, it's easy to have five songs going at once so if the artist can't be there it's easy to back and forth with changes.

When juggling 5 mixes (ITB), how much is "in the Box"? Have you printed most of your outboard processing for faster recallability? Or are you restoring settings for each mix?

Thanks so much for your insight here! I've been a HUGE fan for many years.

Tim

tchadb 23rd April 2007 02:43 PM

in box
 
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Originally Posted by Timsplace (Post 1245222)
When juggling 5 mixes (ITB), how much is "in the Box"? Have you printed most of your outboard processing for faster recallability? Or are you restoring settings for each mix?

Thanks so much for your insight here! I've been a HUGE fan for many years.

Tim

Anything outboard is recorded into the box so there's no set up time when recalling.

pete 25th April 2007 08:54 AM

how do you deal with D/A A/D delay when processing OTB?

(I think Tchad has PTHD which has Auto Delay Compensation built in - Jules)

tchadb 25th April 2007 11:41 PM

latentcy
 
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Originally Posted by pete (Post 1248765)
how do you deal with D/A A/D delay when processing OTB?

(I think Tchad has PTHD which has Auto Delay Compensation built in - Jules)

I couldn't use digital with the way I mix until they got compensation. That's why it's all happening now.

Jules 25th April 2007 11:44 PM

Are you completely happy with the performance of the compensation?

Thanks.

paterno 26th April 2007 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tchad blake (Post 1244449)
Just purely mixing, three days. A binaural mix done for Sam Phillips record Martinis and Bikinis, track was 'Black Sky'. All sounds were sent through 10-12 different guitar amps or p.a.'s set up around the room and recorded through a Neuman Head direct to two track. A lot of the balancing was done by physicaly moving the amps (some were in metal trash cans) around the room.
That was fun. I won't say it's a great mix, but it was fun.

May I just add a bit of clarification -- you did not leave the studio for three days !!!!

Don't sell yourself short -- 'Black Sky' is a great mix, and I would bet the first of it's kind, if not the only one of its kind! In headphones it is quite incredible, and even as a stereo mix through speakers it sounds cool. I listened to that record a few days ago for the first time in ages. There are a lot of great things on it, Tchad. One of my favorites of yours...

Cheers and have fun!

John

tchadb 26th April 2007 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by paterno (Post 1250292)
May I just add a bit of clarification -- you did not leave the studio for three days !!!!

Don't sell yourself short -- 'Black Sky' is a great mix, and I would bet the first of it's kind, if not the only one of its kind! In headphones it is quite incredible, and even as a stereo mix through speakers it sounds cool. I listened to that record a few days ago for the first time in ages. There are a lot of great things on it, Tchad. One of my favorites of yours...

Cheers and have fun!

John

Hi John, boy am I glad you're here. Any chance you can spot me? Like the old days?

tchadb 26th April 2007 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jules (Post 1250235)
Are you completely happy with the performance of the compensation?

Thanks.

yes. And if it's not enough I region time shift.

paterno 26th April 2007 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tchad blake (Post 1250299)
Hi John, boy am I glad you're here. Any chance you can spot me? Like the old days?

As always, whatever you need, my friend...

JP