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kurzweil 24th February 2017 11:46 PM

What synths should Behringer make next? POLL & Speculation Thread
 
After the surprising feature-price ratio of the DeepMind 12, what should Behringer be developing next in their new synth line?

To kick things off, how about:

12 voices,

12x VCOs architecture based on a CEM3340 design,

12x VCFs - multimode implementation based on a CEM3320 design (e.g. Synthex, or Doepfer A-121),

3x digital LFOs per voice with multiple waveforms and S&H options,

3x digital ADSR per voice with the curve-response options from the DM12,

Matrix modulation routings with 8 mod busses,

61-note semi-weighted keyboard with aftertouch and velocity,

analogue chorus (based on Juno design),

analogue distortion / drive,

double-depth metal chassis with space for separate controls for all primary ADSR, LFO, and VCO/VCF/VCA parameters,

high-quality pots (for most parameters) and sliders (for ADSRs),

simple LCD/OLED display for mod matrix and secondary parameters via data entry knob (as per DM12),

full multi-timbral voice allocation possible over MIDI (or CV for Voice 1),

local dual/split keyboard bi-timbral options,

individual voice outputs (via break-out cable and/or USB if necessary),

design and colour scheme 'inspired' by Jupiter-8 :)

Rufuss Sewell 24th February 2017 11:58 PM

Someone needs to make a 12 voice synth with analog filters.

Plus each voice can load user samples, 2 analog oscillators, 2 digital oscillators including 7 op FM.

FM and samples through analog filters is what the market is missing. But be sure to keep the analog oscillators as well.

pandar 25th February 2017 12:09 AM

something spec-wise better than an andromeda rockout
its been almost two decades since someones raised the bar spec-wise

Delmarva 25th February 2017 12:10 AM

I played the DM recently and wasn't particularly impressed with its core sound. I turned off all effects and just tried the saw oscillator. It could have been the speaker it was demoed through though.

It didn't sound bad at all, just not powerful, but I'd like a synth that has minimal effects and puts all its efforts into raw tone.

It would be cool to have Behringer recreate a JP8 next. I'm sure people would pay a lot more!

wagoo 25th February 2017 12:21 AM

A CS-80 clone.. because I'm fed up of waiting for Yamaha to do it

Hazmatic 25th February 2017 12:29 AM

The Deeper Mind 24, featuring 24 analog voices, but you'll have to stack at least 4 voices together at time for it to sound decent, ultimately giving you only 8 voices, which will be slathered in layers of effects.

jackalsandflames 25th February 2017 01:08 AM

cs80 / jupiter 8

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Randomized 25th February 2017 01:34 AM

Octatrack clone with epic midi sequencing and sampling capabilities. Okay, it's not a synth but anyway.

Jamie munro 25th February 2017 01:37 AM

Something foooking original ! Please for the love of synthesis. PLEASE!!!!!!

Not a bloody cs80 or Jupiter clone (:lol:) or some other **** that harks back to a time that happened 3 decades ago

FFS

swiller 25th February 2017 01:45 AM

Something that sounds stellar.
Perhaps a tetra like instrument, 6 voice poly with the ethos of the shear relic for circa £500.
Or a rompler for similar money that can challenge the integra 7.

SovietSpaceChild 25th February 2017 03:31 AM

I want to see a modern take on the PPG Wave. Digital wavetable oscillators with variable bit depth, complete with all of the crunch of the original PPG oscillators, through big beefy analog filters and VCA's, all under the control of a vast modulation matrix and step sequencers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandar (Post 12466158)
something spec-wise better than an andromeda rockout
its been almost two decades since someones raised the bar spec-wise

This would also be welcome kfhkh

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiller (Post 12466297)
Or a rompler for similar money that can challenge the integra 7.

I'm not sure if a ROMpler would be the best use of all of the analog knowhow that they've recently acquired. How about a sampler with analog filters instead? rockout

Incidentally, Uli Behringer recently had an interview where he mentions Gearslutz by name and said that he welcomed our suggestions, so this thread seems appropriately timed. kfhkh


DJRAZZ 25th February 2017 04:00 AM

Realistically? A new drum machine. They could make a killer Mono synth. The DM module with CV. A sequencer. A 73 waterfall key Deepmind 24 with added features and a few acoustic tones, like piano, rhodes, clavs, wurlitzers, DX's, melltrons, hammonds, brass, vocoder, an onboard looper, and drums. Charge $1499.

Shadowkast 25th February 2017 04:33 AM

A dedicated FM synth with an easy to use interface.

carlosacosta 25th February 2017 04:42 AM

A 2VCO, 8 voice poly. NO FX, 2LFO, 2 ADSR, 5 octv kb. $799. Roll credits.

kcearl 25th February 2017 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie munro (Post 12466288)
Something foooking original ! Please for the love of synthesis. PLEASE!!!!!!

Not a bloody cs80 or Jupiter clone (:lol:) or some other **** that harks back to a time that happened 3 decades ago

FFS

lol I get what you mean but to be honest its not as if the DM is really a 106


I wouldnt mind another vintage style synth if it wasnt a 1:1 clone

donato 25th February 2017 04:50 AM

String machine. Don't waste money/resources on a screen or presets or fancy effects (ensemble effect ok). Just a basic throwback analog string machine.

DJRAZZ 25th February 2017 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJRAZZ (Post 12466442)
Realistically? A new drum machine. They could make a killer Mono synth. The DM module with CV. A sequencer. A 73 waterfall key Deepmind 24 with added features and a few acoustic tones, like piano, rhodes, clavs, wurlitzers, DX's, melltrons, hammonds, brass, vocoder, an onboard looper, and drums. Charge $1499.

Saw the video of Uli Behringer above. What a great guy!!! He presents as a passionate, excited, and confident person but yet kind, humble, and grateful. If this is who he really is then his is an honest and kind guy and I really like that quality in our company leaders.

felis 25th February 2017 04:58 AM

Whatever comes next is going to be much cheaper and more stripped down.
I hope they continue to add features and address bugs with the DM12 too.

After that, I like the idea of something that matches the feature set of the Andromeda.
It wouldn't have to have more voices - 6/bi-timbral (for splits/layers) with audio input works for me.
I've brought up several times that a Monodromeda would be cool too.

They'd probably be the right company to come up with a knobby controller board that
features polyphonic aftertouch and release velocity too.

My imagination doesn't run much deeper than that - I'll leave it to you guys :lol:

SovietSpaceChild 25th February 2017 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by felis (Post 12466518)
Whatever comes next is going to be much cheaper and more stripped down.

The drum machine is likely their next product as they've already shown a prototype. Maybe at MusikMesse along with the DeepMind12 rack? rockout

MATRIXSYNTH: New Behringer Drum Machine Prototype 808 & 909 Evaluation Boards

felis 25th February 2017 05:35 AM

I was just going by this: Behringer Planning Complete Line Of Synthesizers, Starting At $49 – Synthtopia

I knew about the module plans, and have heard of the drum machine, but I don't normally consider them synths - unless they really go out into left field with it.

Scratcher 25th February 2017 06:32 AM

A sampler/controller. Octatrack ++ or an analog drum machine.

ToyBox 25th February 2017 07:40 AM

I've mentioned something similar before in the DM12 thread, still think it's worth looking into: we're kind of swamped with monosynths however if you want classic Moog/Arp/Oberheim lead and bass territory in a convenient performance and road ready package I can't think of an option, unless you start looking into bigger and polyphonic synths.

Something that's light, compact (still 3 octaves fullsize keys), yet rugged, can cover Mini, Ody, and Two Voice, easy access effects, hands-on interface, and all the right tools for live play.

fiddlestickz 25th February 2017 11:41 AM

I'd like to see a really bad ass mono synth modeled on the SH 101 with connect ability for modular gear.. prior to this I'd like to see that Jomox/Behringer drum machine with mini patch bay that takes it into semi modular territory..

Praxisaxis 25th February 2017 11:59 AM

Direct competition to the MPC Live.

No scratch that, would be *much* better for Yamaha or Roland or NI to do that.

Mutantt 25th February 2017 02:56 PM

Heh i was going to write the features i would want in their new "flagship" synth, but then i caught myself writing a list of features already found on Futuresonus Parva. :)

OK, then a microsynth:
1 voice, 3 VCOs (1 of them can act as a LFO), 2 digital LFOs, 2 digital envelopes taken from DM12, 12/24dB low pass, Volca sized desktop module only with SlimPhatty style many buttons plus 1 knob and 1 numerical display UI (and a fully featured and knobbed software/VST editor), 150$ - basically a Minimoog killer.

Mitch101 25th February 2017 03:04 PM

Four octave knobby FM synth with a couple of effects slots. Basically the reface DX but with hands on controls, keep it simple just to digital FM to keep the price down.

musicman666 25th February 2017 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutantt (Post 12467074)
Heh i was going to write the features i would want in their new "flagship" synth, but then i caught myself writing a list of features already found on Futuresonus Parva. :)

OK, then a microsynth:
1 voice, 3 VCOs (1 of them can act as a LFO), 2 digital LFOs, 2 digital envelopes taken from DM12, 12/24dB low pass, Volca sized desktop module only with SlimPhatty style many buttons plus 1 knob and 1 numerical display UI (and a fully featured and knobbed software/VST editor), 150$ - basically a Minimoog killer.

The slim phatty has just one downfall...combining the cutoff res and overdrive into one knob ...best not repeated.

flat 25th February 2017 03:34 PM

Something of their own, not based on other synths.

I think there is a big gap in the market for a cheaper mellow, atmospheric smooth synth with a creamy/softer filter

Everything seems to be spiky, harsh and abrasive these days. I would love a stack-able, split/layered mellow analogue beast.

superstupid 25th February 2017 04:42 PM

a no compromise 8-12 voice vco poly

a hybrid with analog filters and sample based oscs (possibility to load my own 8/12bit samples)

a string/organ/choir synth with vocoder

felis 25th February 2017 05:03 PM

Digital additive oscillators (64/128 partials), loopable envelopes, ability to offset frequencies,
ability to load and FM user samples with the additives, and multi-timbral with analog filters.

A modern, very updated version of the Kawai K3/K5K.