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especht 5th February 2007 04:42 PM

Wide mixes
 
Hi, Kevin. Thank you for taking our questions.

In an earlier post you said, "I can spend a number of hours experimenting with this even pushing the width of the mix beyond the normal L R plane."

Could you elaborate on this?

Kevin Killen 7th February 2007 03:54 AM

especht,

I may pick one or two elements and run it thru my Howard Hughes SRS spatial box. It was designed for cockpit voice recognition and it totally ****s with the phase. Sometimes I would put a number of effects in series, ultimately ending in the SRS and adjust the "width" control so that it appeared outside the speakers, to the left and right of the outermost edge of the speakers. Its certainly fun,not mono compatible and usually gives the artist a woody and the mastering engineers a feeling of naseau.

Don't try this if your project is going to vinyl....

In the DAW world, same principle, just try using the S1 image maker .

On headphones , its like someone is turning your brain inside out....

And put down that weed , when you do this, It may alter your life forever jkthtyrt

heppy heppy heppy heppy

KK

stevep 7th February 2007 05:04 AM

Quote:

I may pick one or two elements and run it thru my Howard Hughes SRS spatial box. It was designed for cockpit voice recognition and it totally ****s with the phase
heh boing heh Nice !!!! cant stop laughing,.... great post



thanks for sharing your experience with us kfhkh


peace,


steve perkins


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dokushoka 7th February 2007 05:06 AM

I had that Hughes box! It was so weird!

Shawn1272 7th February 2007 09:32 AM

Can you tell us some more about this SRS spatial box? Sounds pretty sweet.

thanks.

seb37000 7th February 2007 01:09 PM

Hello kevin,

Thanks for sharing all this ! kfhkh

Which elements of the mix do you find pushing the width works best on ?

Methlab 7th February 2007 04:22 PM

Kevin,

When you say 1 or 2 elements..what are you usually going with? Something like a pad or background vocal?

How much is too much when it comes to spreading things out like this in your experience?

Kevin Killen 7th February 2007 10:44 PM

SRS THREADS

Usually its either backgrounds or maybe just the effects i use on them, sometimes a volume swell, a weird percussion moment, just some "ear candy".

heh

Shawn1272 8th February 2007 09:00 AM

Kevin, thanks for the info. Are you using the SRS Labs MegaWide box? I'm curious what box you're actually using to get "outside the speakers".

shawn

Kevin Killen 10th February 2007 01:58 AM

Shawn

I am not using it this week as my current project is in the box. For that I use the Waves S1 Image maker.

I will pull the SRS out of its box next week to get the exact model numer.

Keep listening....

KK

Shawn1272 10th February 2007 07:09 PM

Thanks Kevin.

themish 12th February 2007 04:06 AM

Hughes box
 
Hi kevin,

why can the hughes srs box not be used for tracks that will end up on vinyl? can the s1 be used for vinyl?

thanks,

h

Kevin Killen 13th February 2007 03:46 AM

themish,

Basically those boxes and software plug ins do alter the phase coherency of the stereo track. Trying to cut an acetate with such a significant phase anomaly would cause the cutting head to lift up during the mastering. It would mean a remix at the very least.

CD's are much more forgiving in terms of duplication.

Kevin

Fuel 13th February 2007 04:10 AM

Thanks again!!

Crystal Mixing and Mastering 13th February 2007 03:28 PM

Hey Kevin,
Would it be normal to use a stereo expander on guitars alone? Its just that when listening to some CD's guitars sound alot wider than mine do.

Cheers,
Eck

Crystal Mixing and Mastering 13th February 2007 06:33 PM

When listening to the band "Deftones" I notice that the guitars sound a bit wider compared to my mixes. Would using a stereo expander like "Waves Imager" on the guitars alone be a good idea to acheive a wider stereo spread? Or would this muck about with the phasing too much?

Cheers,
Eck

Kevin Killen 14th February 2007 03:36 AM

Ectronic,

Not to sound evasive, I guess one could but what the result would be is totally dependent on the input source and tha application itself.

Might be better off trying to discern what it is you like about the guitars you describe, tone, parts, position and see if you can come close to replicating them in your own music.

Kevin

Shawn1272 21st February 2007 01:23 AM

Kevin, did you get a chance to pull out your SRS box yet? I'm dying to know what it is.

thanks,
shawn

Kevin Killen 23rd February 2007 02:43 AM

Shawn,

Not yet as that session got postponed, but i should be able to get it this weekend. keep bugging me, Iam happy to reveal whatever it is.

KK

Kevin Killen 26th February 2007 04:18 PM

okay its an SRS AK -100

kev

Kevin Killen 26th February 2007 04:25 PM

okay its an SRS AK -100

kev

Killahurts 26th February 2007 04:54 PM

Oh, how I loved that box! But like an idiot I sold it a few years ago...

At the time it came out, the other thing out there was the Bedini Audio Spacial environment (BASE). I liked the AK-100 better, and it was way cheaper. It has a sort of gritty warmth to it - and as was stated earlier, it's best used on elements, not an entire mix, IMO.

btw Kevin, this is my first post in your guest forum. Thank you Soooo much for doing this with us! kfhkh

Tomer1 26th February 2007 07:20 PM

It may seem out of place but to me it seems funny to use high end convertors and a million dollar console only to end up degrading the final signal with a 40$ unit


Whats the N:S ratio on that thing heh

Cymbals 3rd March 2007 07:59 PM

s1
 
When doing the same thing in-box, using Waves s1, are you talking about the width control, or are you also adjusting symmetry control also? I'm just making sure I'm understanding you correctly. No flipping of tracks, and phase, then, right?

Kevin Killen 3rd March 2007 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomer1 (Post 1149824)
It may seem out of place but to me it seems funny to use high end convertors and a million dollar console only to end up degrading the final signal with a 40$ unit


Whats the N:S ratio on that thing heh

That is often the irony of mixing but you just have to use your ears to judge what is right for the mix. But probably no worse than the $35 foot pedal you use for the guitar or the $300 speakers you mix thru !

No idea ... sorry

kfhkh