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SoZo 31st January 2016 01:00 AM

Superb A/D
 
Looking for 2 channels of A/D for some R&D I'm doing. I'm looking at Burl and Forssell currently, any other recommendations?

Squawk 31st January 2016 06:30 AM

Lynx Hilo

NathanEldred 31st January 2016 06:57 AM

The Mytek ADC 192 (different model from the older 96khz version) is outstanding and very underrated. They have a new ADC called the Brooklyn that they showed at NAMM; not sure if it's shipping yet.

VT-MHE 31st January 2016 07:08 AM

Forssell mada adc

funtez 31st January 2016 08:10 AM

I am definately looking forward to hearing more about the mytek brooklyn. Although more channels than you need, the apogee symphony i/o mkii has new AD converters which may be worth considering.

funka 31st January 2016 11:14 AM

TI PCM 4222 evaluation board. ;)

markbell 31st January 2016 03:04 PM

Lynx Hilo

SoZo 31st January 2016 07:52 PM

So far im interested in:

Forssell mada-2a adc chips getting old but discrete
Burl B2 ADC chips getting old but discrete
Lavry AD10 but it's old tech at this point?
Lavry 2-Channel ADC only 96k old ?
Mytek STEREO192 ADC discrete ?
Mytek Brooklyn ADC price ? discrete ?

deuc647 31st January 2016 08:17 PM

Antelope Pure2 is another to consider. Uses dual DAC chips and AD is the TI 4222, which is probably top of the food chain right now.

SoZo 31st January 2016 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deuc647 (Post 11668894)
Antelope Pure2 is another to consider. Uses dual DAC chips and AD is the TI 4222, which is probably top of the food chain right now.

A bit expensive...

SoZo 31st January 2016 08:24 PM

Oh I thought it was 6 grand... That's the eclipse.. Ok is the pure 2 on par with the Forssell ?

funka 31st January 2016 08:32 PM

For A/D, yes. Not that the Forssell is bad...far form that.
For D/A, Forssell is still for me at the very top.

RoundBadge 1st February 2016 11:00 PM

tried them all here in my studio except the new Mytek.
The Forssell was transparent but kinda boring to me.the Pure was very clean delicate and transparent.good stereo representation.
Mytek has a little musical thing.very nice.
they're all good.
Still on the burl tip though.sounds the most musical to me..its not an analytical "spec's" thing its a gut level "feeling" thing when I'm listening to playback.

jakelorenz 1st February 2016 11:31 PM

Lynx Hilo is great, and probably the best bang for the buck out there.

MIKEHARRIS 1st February 2016 11:46 PM

Benchmark ADC-1. What connectivity do you need ?

SoZo 2nd February 2016 12:13 AM

Thanks all...
I currently have
Apogee 16x AD DA
Apogee Mini-DAC
Apogee Track2
RME RayDat
I have one set of AES I/O left on my card
I don't feel I want to upgrade my whole rig and I don't think there is any thing out there that when I listen to that makes me feel I want or need to upgrade from what I'm aware of right now at least.
I do not want to go Mac just for the latest Apogee MkII converters that would be like 10K for which will be worth 1k in one year..
I figured I would add 2 channels of great modern conversion for super critical tracking/eq/compressing/mixdown and most importantly some capacitor testing I'm doing in some Neve Line Cards. Shhhh...
I don't know what is the right call but I have some good Preamps and outboard now so I want to do more external and maybe summing...


Pure 2 looks promising
Lynx Hilo routing is better? Sound is as good?
I think Forssell is out just too much money for just A/D and very specific sounding.
Burl in the Pure 2 GregWells test was missing an octave on the bottom but the kick drum in the clip stood out it was so real sounding.

SoZo 2nd February 2016 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoundBadge (Post 11671675)
tried them all here in my studio except the new Mytek.
The Forssell was transparent but kinda boring to me.the Pure was very clean delicate and transparent.good stereo representation.
Mytek has a little musical thing.very nice.
they're all good.
Still on the burl tip though.sounds the most musical to me..its not an analytical "spec's" thing its a gut level "feeling" thing when I'm listening to playback.


Are you talking AD or DA

RoundBadge 2nd February 2016 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoZo (Post 11671889)
Are you talking AD or DA

Both.
the DA is cleaner than the AD but still musical.

Cozmik Prod. 2nd February 2016 04:31 PM

BLA Sparrow.... superb it is.

Doc Mixwell 2nd February 2016 04:42 PM

Forgive my ignorance,
but why does it matter if the digital chips are "getting old"?

The way they design these units, is as a "system" of AD encoding. Power supply, Clocking, chip set, filter networks, analog stages, are all an environment...

SoZo 2nd February 2016 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc Mixwell (Post 11673556)
Forgive my ignorance,
but why does it matter if the digital chips are "getting old"?

The way they design these units, is as a "system" of AD encoding. Power supply, Clocking, chip set, filter networks, analog stages, are all an environment...

Yes I agree it is a working design...

Mostly because this is a technology purchase and a total loose value on my end. :)
Secondly, there is no urgency with this venture and I see there are a few new converters Mytek, Apogee etcc... coming out so I don't want to buy the old version so to say.
Thirdly, I would look for second hand on older tech products.

Doc Mixwell 2nd February 2016 06:31 PM

Whatever works for ya....

12tone 2nd February 2016 06:34 PM

George Martin could have done wonders with a $200 Behringer converter in his heyday...just sayin'

deuc647 3rd February 2016 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc Mixwell (Post 11673556)
Forgive my ignorance,
but why does it matter if the digital chips are "getting old"?

The way they design these units, is as a "system" of AD encoding. Power supply, Clocking, chip set, filter networks, analog stages, are all an environment...

The same reason you push apogee instead of other brands you sell:cop:. We all want the latest and greatest conversion because we ant the best we can afford, i will say that spec wise the burl AKM 5394 converter chip is long in the tooth compared to the pure2 TI4222 chip, spec wise that is.

RightOnRome 3rd February 2016 04:39 AM

bumpkin
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12tone (Post 11673929)
George Martin could have done wonders with a $200 Behringer converter in his heyday...just sayin'


SoZo 3rd February 2016 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deuc647 (Post 11675215)
The same reason you push apogee instead of other brands you sell:cop:. We all want the latest and greatest conversion because we ant the best we can afford, i will say that spec wise the burl AKM 5394 converter chip is long in the tooth compared to the pure2 TI4222 chip, spec wise that is.


I do not want to say anything to make anyone doubt their decision on converters but I agree with this.

Ask yourself this... If you were buying technology, a computer, a phone, a new HD TV, or this topic, converters right now, wouldn't you do your homework and want to get the latest and greatest to hold you over for a while?

AMIEL 3rd February 2016 06:00 AM

I still like the HEDD

Weepit 3rd February 2016 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoZo (Post 11675304)
I do not want to say anything to make anyone doubt their decision on converters but I agree with this.

Ask yourself this... If you were buying technology, a computer, a phone, a new HD TV, or this topic, converters right now, wouldn't you do your homework and want to get the latest and greatest to hold you over for a while?

Not necessarily. I would prefer to choose an item built by a respected manufacturer that has a proven track record. The whole latest & greatest slant is, imho, for suckers.

Do you really need a newer, bigger phone every two years? Is the picture on your 3 year old TV really that bad? Etc, etc, etc

Imagine buying a microphone that not only sounds beautiful but remains working and valid for decades?!

Converters in particular mystify me. There are so many great ones yet every other month some company puts out a new one that blows all others away. Get it right the first time boys.

deuc647 3rd February 2016 06:24 AM

At the end of the day its still a business. Converter component list vs selling price. Im sure the pure2 has cut some corners that burl didnt and vice versa. If it was just a make it right the first time type of world i think they all would have the JCF converters, havent heard them but havent seen a mediocre review of one yet.

SoZo 3rd February 2016 06:25 AM

Yes I understand where your coming from.. But It's been a WHILE since I updated, I'm still on an iPhone 4s in the converter world so to say so I need to look at the new Google Nexus, Samsung , HTC, iPhone 7...