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stamand 1st December 2015 02:28 PM

Kii Three-Have you heard them?
 
Hi folk!!!
I'm very curious about the Kii three speakers. They seems to be the next big things!!! Have you heard them??? Let us know.

Thanks
Yannick

stamand 1st December 2015 02:41 PM

very nice review here...

-3db a 19hz quite impressive!

http://kiiaudio.com/phocadownload/AU...eb_english.pdf

Jason A Todd 1st December 2015 04:15 PM

They look incredible.

nielsb 1st December 2015 06:00 PM

Let's hype them to the max!!

Deleted 10089a2 4th December 2015 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stamand (Post 11515616)
very nice review here...

-3db a 19hz quite impressive!

http://kiiaudio.com/phocadownload/AU...eb_english.pdf

Very interesting - cant help feel slightly skeptical about what it says about directivity of the bass though. They do look very impressive on paper thats for sure, though I also notivce their waterfall graph only goes to 3ms and down to 250hz - doesnt tell you that much as its the time response in the bass thats always the tricky thing - Id like to see a waterfall to 100 ms and down to the full 20 hz - resolution could you get your anechoic chamber on ?? .. :) - anyone know if they can be auditioned anywhere in the UK or Ireland ?
Glad I didn't consumate my lust for the 8351s as these might be better - need to work on both for a few days to really tell - but yes I am also drooling :)

housegezeichnet 4th December 2015 12:41 PM

i've heard them (in a professional listening room, not some makeshift presentation hotel room) and already started saving...no hype, amazing speakers and if you look at the technical details it's a bargain

carloff 4th December 2015 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by housegezeichnet (Post 11522528)
i've heard them (in a professional listening room, not some makeshift presentation hotel room) and already started saving...no hype, amazing speakers and if you look at the technical details it's a bargain

Already ordered here!

stamand 4th December 2015 01:42 PM

Let us know your impression carloff!!!

stamand 4th December 2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by housegezeichnet (Post 11522528)
i've heard them (in a professional listening room, not some makeshift presentation hotel room) and already started saving...no hype, amazing speakers and if you look at the technical details it's a bargain

How is the stereo image and the phantom center?

carloff 4th December 2015 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stamand (Post 11522624)
How is the stereo image and the phantom center?

I haven't heard anything better. The instruments are simply in air. Uknown experience to me yet

housegezeichnet 4th December 2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by carloff (Post 11523099)
I haven't heard anything better. The instruments are simply in air. Uknown experience to me yet

exactly my impression....was listening to some acapella group on them and i could exactly hear at which position everyone stood in front of the mic.

phantom center was stunning (and i have a trinnov optimizer in my studio so i know how tight the center can get)

carloff 4th December 2015 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by housegezeichnet (Post 11523151)
exactly my impression....was listening to some acapella group on them and i could exactly hear at which position everyone stood in front of the mic.

phantom center was stunning (and i have a trinnov optimizer in my studio so i know how tight the center can get)

Yes I could really hear how wide the instruments in the air are - not only where they are located. And also so detailed and yet pleasant sound . I could hear every mistake in my mix which I know about but cannot properly hear on the other speakers - and they - the mistakes- are only muddying mix. Amazing experince my Kh are sold and in January i'm looking forward a lot !i expect new level in my mixies .

murphythecat87 4th December 2015 07:13 PM

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MrChick 4th December 2015 10:40 PM

Please, keep us informed.

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Originally Posted by carloff (Post 11523199)
Yes I could really hear how wide the instruments in the air are - not only where they are located. And also so detailed and yet pleasant sound . I could hear every mistake in my mix which I know about but cannot properly hear on the other speakers - and they - the mistakes- are only muddying mix. Amazing experince my Kh are sold and in January i'm looking forward a lot !i expect new level in my mixies .


carloff 4th December 2015 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChick (Post 11523700)
Please, keep us informed.

I will.;)

dbjp 5th December 2015 06:12 AM



And a review here:
http://kiiaudio.com/phocadownload/AU...eb_english.pdf

dbjp 5th December 2015 06:15 AM

Sounds like an incredible concept, if it works.
+/-0.5db @ 20hz ~ 25kHz !!!

murphythecat87 5th December 2015 06:31 AM

http://kiiaudio.com/phocadownload/AU...eb_english.pdf

if you look at the distortion figures, am I wrong to find the distortion bit high and that bleeds into the low mid?

carloff 5th December 2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by murphythecat87 (Post 11524341)
http://kiiaudio.com/phocadownload/AU...eb_english.pdf

if you look at the distortion figures, am I wrong to find the distortion bit high and that bleeds into the low mid?

You want to look at distortion from about 1khz to 10khz. My guess is that the ear would be most sensitive to it in that range. The graph shows two plots. The top plot is the db/frequency response. This tell you linearity on axis but more importantly it tells you the level at which distortion is measured. For most normal listeners, we listen at most in the 80-90db range. The bottom plot is a distortion plot. It tells you how low distortion is below the signal. Since microphones can only measure so much dynamic range, these measurements aren't perfect. But it appears that even at 100db, the Three measures below audible levels of distortion in most of that range I mentioned. I don't worry too much about very low frequency distortion. The distortion measurement takes all mechanical distortions into account including driver, crossover and cabinet.

If you looked at various distortion measurements from the NRC, you'd notice these are very good numbers.

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I don't think distortion measurements are THE most important measurement though. It's only part of the picture.

jlaws 5th December 2015 07:09 PM

How much do these go for?

carloff 5th December 2015 07:53 PM

10 000,- EU VAT Included it means 8k for me without VAT

dbjp 6th December 2015 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by carloff (Post 11525168)
10 000,- EU VAT Included it means 8k for me without VAT

When will you have them?

carloff 6th December 2015 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dbjp (Post 11525788)
When will you have them?

January.I don't know exactly but January.

housegezeichnet 6th December 2015 11:30 AM

@ carloff

out of interest...did you listen to genelec 8351a so far?

carloff 6th December 2015 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by housegezeichnet (Post 11526143)
@ carloff

out of interest...did you listen to genelec 8351a so far?

Yes I did, quite nice but nothing which would blow me away and make me to change my KH O300. Kii are different league- apparently.

dbjp 6th December 2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by carloff (Post 11526121)
January.I don't know exactly but January.

Thanks. Looking forward to your thoughts.

Avantmidi 7th December 2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by carloff (Post 11526191)
Yes I did, quite nice but nothing which would blow me away and make me to change my KH O300. Kii are different league- apparently.

Did you really hear the 8351's calibrated with the GLM 2.0 kit? In your own room?
They are absolutely not in the same league as the KH 0300 according to my listening tests. Really no comparison in terms of 3D soundstage and full-range response. The Kii look interesting but lack the advanced 2nd generation GLM room correction software and the heritage of a company that is focused on making active studio monitors als mixing/mastering tools voor over 35 years.

housegezeichnet 7th December 2015 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Avantmidi (Post 11528071)
Did you really hear the 8351's calibrated with the GLM 2.0 kit? In your own room?
They are absolutely not in the same league as the KH 0300 according to my listening tests. Really no comparison in terms of 3D soundstage and full-range response. The Kii look interesting but lack the advanced 2nd generation GLM room correction software and the heritage of a company that is focused on making active studio monitors als mixing/mastering tools voor over 35 years.

i was wondering as well....for me the o300d always sounded too boring and lacked low end power....for electronic music the limiter always kicked in too early (without a subwoofer)...i switched to trident hg3 and never looked back.

the only bummer about the kii three for me is that with so much potential under the hood it is kinda sad that they don't offer something like glm for the educated user where the loudspeaker itself adapts to the room after measurements...i would prefer this over using my trinnov for that task

Audiop 7th December 2015 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by carloff (Post 11524512)
You want to look at distortion from about 1khz to 10khz. My guess is that the ear would be most sensitive to it in that range.

Doesn't work that way. Keyword: Intermodulation.

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The graph shows two plots. The top plot is the db/frequency response. This tell you linearity on axis but more importantly it tells you the level at which distortion is measured. For most normal listeners, we listen at most in the 80-90db range. The bottom plot is a distortion plot. It tells you how low distortion is below the signal. Since microphones can only measure so much dynamic range, these measurements aren't perfect. But it appears that even at 100db, the Three measures below audible levels of distortion in most of that range I mentioned. I don't worry too much about very low frequency distortion.
A microphone (properly designed and implemented in the test) does not have any such problems. Also, low frequency distortion is something you definetely should pay attention to as it is dominating any reasonably designed speaker.

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The distortion measurement takes all mechanical distortions into account including driver, crossover and cabinet.
Possibly even AD - DA, micpre, power amp etc. however nonlinearities from such links and also crossover + box as such is basically out of the equation.
Ferro cored inductors and electrolytics may have "significant" distortion in some cases but I don't think you find any of those in this design.

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If you looked at various distortion measurements from the NRC, you'd notice these are very good numbers.
A good resource.

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I don't think distortion measurements are THE most important measurement though. It's only part of the picture.
Yes, lots of things that can go wrong and the chain is not stronger than its weakest link. Since these "things" can be said to live in different domains it's not possible to compare them and say this one is more important than that.

Slug1 7th December 2015 03:48 PM

WOW!! I don't think there is a speaker this small that is flat down to 20Hz, with near perfect time alignment, and with tolerance for wall placement. These seem like THE perfect speaker. I have to try them.