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How To Import a MIDI FILE Tempo Map into an Existing Session?
Old 14th August 2019
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How To Import a MIDI FILE Tempo Map into an Existing Session?

Despite a video on YouTube for version 3.5 that shows you can hold down some modifier keys and drag a MF from the bay into the arrange window, it does not work here on the latest demo of Studio One.

HOW do I import a tempo map (MF) from PT into an existing Studio One file?

Thanks
Tom
Old 15th August 2019
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Did you try dragging it from the browser onto the open tempo track as per the Presonus midi FAQs?
Old 15th August 2019
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Did you try dragging it from the browser onto the open tempo track as per the Presonus midi FAQs?
That's creates a whole new session. I want to import into an existing session built from a template. Always jumping through hoops in this program it would seem.
Old 15th August 2019
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If the midi file is above a certain size it will always load in a new song.
Can't you export just the tempo file from PT rather than the whole session?

Edit: these are the instructions to export just the tempo map from PT

"Create a midi track

With the new midi track selected, hit File > Export Midi

In The Following Dialog set the following:

* Midi File Format: “0” (Unless you’d like to include ALL the session’s midi tracks, in which case choose “1”)
* Location reference: “session start”
* Select: “apply real time properties”

All this info about dragging to tempo map, midi file sizes and the PT info above I found in seconds by searching 'import tempo map studio one' and 'export tempo map pro tools'.

Please bear in mind that about 80% of the internet is in English so if you search in a language other than English you'll get only a tiny percentage of the available information.
Old 15th August 2019
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I do this daily, so I'm not a newbie.

You do not have to create ANY midi tracks in Pro Tools to export a tempo map.

You just choose EXPORT midi (EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE NO MIDI TRACKS IN THE SESSION) and you are done. I do it when importing to Cubase all the time.

If you watch this video on how to import the map into Studio One, it looks easy, you get pop up that ask if you just want the tempo map. Great. But it doesn't work on the latest version of Studio One...no popup appears no matter what modifier key you use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-4pAHfmnZw

Hence the question. Thanks.





Quote:
Originally Posted by Quetz View Post
If the midi file is above a certain size it will always load in a new song.
Can't you export just the tempo file from PT rather than the whole session?

Edit: these are the instructions to export just the tempo map from PT

"Create a midi track

With the new midi track selected, hit File > Export Midi

In The Following Dialog set the following:

* Midi File Format: “0” (Unless you’d like to include ALL the session’s midi tracks, in which case choose “1”)
* Location reference: “session start”
* Select: “apply real time properties”

All this info about dragging to tempo map, midi file sizes and the PT info above I found in seconds by searching 'import tempo map studio one' and 'export tempo map pro tools'.

Please bear in mind that about 80% of the internet is in English so if you search in a language other than English you'll get only a tiny percentage of the available information.
Old 16th August 2019
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At the risk of sounding patronising (too late probably but I want to double check!), are you sure you're dragging the midi file onto the Tempo Track only, while the tempo track is open?
Have you also made sure it's a type 1 midi file (where the individual midi tracks can be seen by the DAW) rather than type 0?
(This shouldn't matter in theory for tempo import but you never know).

Presonus state specifically that you can import just tempo this way without having to import any instrument midi tracks as well, and this should work for all versions from 3.5 onwards.

If it's still not working and you're sure you've covered those prerequisites then I would say yes it's a bug.
They overhauled the tempo track facilities so it's possible something got broken if it fails after following those steps.
Old 16th August 2019
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Yes type 1 MF from PT. Yes dragging into Tempo track.

Not working. Just asks me if I want to create a new song (I don't).

Moving on back to Logic at this point, which also has a key feature I need (vari speed) that only PT and Logic seem to have. Plus Articulation Maps in Cubase and Logic. I'm sure they are coming for Studio One though.

Main thing I love about Studio One is drag and drop. Amazing workflow. I'll check back in with it a few versions down the road.

Thanks for your help!
TH


Quote:
Originally Posted by Quetz View Post
At the risk of sounding patronising (too late probably but I want to double check!), are you sure you're dragging the midi file onto the Tempo Track only, while the tempo track is open?
Have you also made sure it's a type 1 midi file (where the individual midi tracks can be seen by the DAW) rather than type 0?
(This shouldn't matter in theory for tempo import but you never know).

Presonus state specifically that you can import just tempo this way without having to import any instrument midi tracks as well, and this should work for all versions from 3.5 onwards.

If it's still not working and you're sure you've covered those prerequisites then I would say yes it's a bug.
They overhauled the tempo track facilities so it's possible something got broken if it fails after following those steps.
Old 16th August 2019
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Hey no probs, if you have the time you should report it as a bug, will hopefully get addressed.

For the varispeed thing, you should investigate using bend markers, that's how it's done in S1 (and there's melodyne built in as well).

The articulation and expression maps I've seen a few people mention, they'll get there I'm sure!
Old 17th August 2019
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That was a big problem supposedly fixed 2 or 3 updates ago, similar to problem oceantracks is having. I imported an XML and stems from a Cubase 5 project and S1 changed the MIDI. So I have to go back to the XML if I can find it and try again.

But at that point, I thought the procedure changed how we import stuff like that correctly and the tutorials are all from before that update.

So I'll be on the lookout for such a tutorial. In the meantime I fiddle around with S1 but the real important projects that mean a lot to me sit while I figure either how to un-do the MIDI damage done or find the original XML and try again. FWIW the song is O Fortuna and my vocalist on several tracks (my niece) passed away a couple years ago.

Anyway she did at least three tracks of takes, and it's kind of staccato and it would help my using Melodyne to have the grid lines line up to the MIDI we first used.

* she's definitely up there and I know she'll be proud with her uncle's TLC on her earthly work, and blow her friend's minds when they hear what she'd recorded
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