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Best de-essers for post? Dynamics Plugins
Old 4th September 2018
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Best de-essers for post?

I'm shopping again. I've been sneaking by for a while now with only average de-essers. Demo'ing the following plug-ins now:

DMG Essence

Eiosis E2 Deesser

Oxford Supresser


Any other recommendations?

I've been using Waves and Avid de-essers for a while, but I feel limited by them, and often end up stacking a RenDeEsser and and Avid Pro Comp to achieve what I should be doing in one plug-in.
Old 4th September 2018
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Fabfilter Pro-DS here.
Old 4th September 2018
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Fab Filter Pro DS
The New Harrison Deesser Plug In
Harrison Consoles
YouTube
the Masssey Deesser
Plugins for Pro Tools
Old 5th September 2018
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Fabfilter Pro DS is great, best feature set and sound is top quality. If you have Izotope RX6 check out their RX De-ess as an insert. Once you figure out the spectral tilt and shaping in Spectral mode you can really dial it in nice. Both have the ability to listen to what's crossing the threshold which is very useful .
Old 5th September 2018
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Originally Posted by NReichman View Post
I'm shopping again. I've been sneaking by for a while now with only average de-essers. Demo'ing the following plug-ins now:

DMG Essence

Eiosis E2 Deesser

Oxford Supresser


Any other recommendations?

I've been using Waves and Avid de-essers for a while, but I feel limited by them, and often end up stacking a RenDeEsser and and Avid Pro Comp to achieve what I should be doing in one plug-in.
I own all of those and many more, and IMO nothing is can compete head on with the Weiss in terms of transparency.

Softube - Weiss Deess
Old 5th September 2018
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I deess with RX6 Spectral Repair. Much more precise than a catch-all deesser.
I do use the Fabfilter ProDS, for slight sibilance on some dialogue, but not to remove a specific S.
Old 5th September 2018
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Don't forget Soothe.

Awesome tool especially against tricky actors that do a mix of whistle and sh-sounds rather than laboratory perfect S-es.

Otherwise RX and manual removal is the best way.
Old 5th September 2018
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spl and weiss - or still 'handmade' by using the sidechain of whatever comp you like
Old 5th September 2018
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I deess with RX6 Spectral Repair. Much more precise than a catch-all deesser.
I do use the Fabfilter ProDS, for slight sibilance on some dialogue, but not to remove a specific S.
Agreed, this is really the best method for the very problematic esses. I find the magic wand tool really useful with the attenuation set to 0.2 or 0.3. Like you I use plug ins just to take the edge off.
Old 6th September 2018
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Expanding my demo list to the following:

DMG Essence

Eiosis E2 Deesser

Fabfilter Pro DS

Oxford Supresser

Harrison AVA De-Esser

Weiss Deess

RX De-ess


I never knew this would be such a rabbit hole of options. I love DMG's software, but Essence jumps from being too gentle to being too deep too quickly. Love the Q adjustments, though. Eiosis makes cool software, but this one is too colored for my taste. Maybe it's a music mixer's tool. Fabfilter sounds great, even though the number of controls are lacking. I want to love Oxford, and I've spent a long time learning it and trying to make it sound as good as the others, but it just isn't happening for me. Harrison sounds good, but the depth only goes to 12, and it's a little crude. Weiss sounds really good, a lot like Fabfilter. Unlike Oxford, all the Weiss deep controls are really working for me. But then RX is the surprise. I think I like it more than Fabfilter, and I already own it. I wish the RX controls were more elaborate like Essence or Weiss, but it does a lot of work even in classic mode without clouding the highs.

More listening is required, but my first impressions are that Fabfilter, Weiss, and RX stand out.

Thanks for the recommendations everyone!

(and P.S., in a perfect world, we would all manually de-ess in Spectral Repair, but very often I have to mix more quickly than that, and you can't globally trim the ratio or threshold afterwards, so real-time plug-ins are needed here.)
Old 6th September 2018
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(and P.S., in a perfect world, we would all manually de-ess in Spectral Repair, but very often I have to mix more quickly than that, and you can't globally trim the ratio or threshold afterwards, so real-time plug-ins are needed here.)
Yes, indeed. I love RX and use it daily to remove unwanted stuff - today it was some clown whistling at an inappropriate time during a live cut - but there is still something to be said about using a great analog and digital de-esser as a firm HF boundary for the entire program.

I find that on some sparse acoustic stuff I will spectral edit the entire thing and keep the de-esser off, but on denser stuff I enjoy the HF consistency that a good de-esser delivers. I use a combo Maselec HW + Weiss SW, each doing just a tick here and there, to great effect.
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Old 6th September 2018
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The FabFilter ProDS really does sound great, out of all the FabFilter plugins it's by far my favorite. It can really bring the sibilance down without destroying it. Weiss is good but I didn't realize they offered an AAX version. Neat.
Old 6th September 2018
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I've tried Essence, EiOisis, Fabfilter, waves, etc. I happened to buy the Weiss DS-1 for music mixing and then started using it for trailer VO and dialogue. Its de-essing handily beats the rest for transparency. As MP1 stated, Weiss has a standlone de-esser. If I didn't have the DS-1, I would absolutely go for that.

At any rate, lots of de-essers to test drive, but don't overlook Weiss.
Old 6th September 2018
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Fabfilter sounds great, even though the number of controls are lacking.
I'm curious. What controls do you find missing?
Old 6th September 2018
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One size definitely does not fit all!
Old 6th September 2018
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Fabfilter pro ds, rx in standalone, and weiss are in heavy use here. Also a fair amount of clip-gain de-essing. I prefer to go in manual where ever i can before de-essing in earnest.
Old 7th September 2018
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I would also add McDSP's SA-2.

As a addition to other deessers.

Kuba
Old 7th September 2018
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On channels.
Clip gain, or sometimes Mcdsp sa2.

Izotope Rx if the esses has nasty frequencies.

Doesn't work for me with deesser on dialog bus.
Don't want to change amount of deessing if I rebalance a scene.
Old 9th September 2018
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I use McDsp SA2 in gentle and vari mode on my dialog bus pretty regularly. I try to avoid plug-ins, which induce high latency.
Previously my 1st choice had been the Massey De-Esser.

RX6 via RX connect for all problematic stuff

Last edited by matt-o-; 9th September 2018 at 11:36 PM.. Reason: additional comment
Old 11th September 2018
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I'm curious. What controls do you find missing?
Thanks again everyone for the suggestions. Once size definitely does not fit all. But to the question, Fabfilter sounds good, but on the Weiss, you get ratio and attack time. Sometimes after my frequency, width, and threshold are right, the range vs. the ratio gives different results. On all of these, I was surprised by how deep you might set the threshold on tricky material, while using a small range. And the Weiss has two filters (yes, I know I could use two Fabfilter plugs, but that's cumbersome).

To my ears, Weiss delivers results and is less likely to cloud the top end. Really good. Fabfilter is almost there, and is probably faster to use. I already have SA2 in my chain, but I've never relied on it for laser-accurate 'ess' removal.
Old 11th September 2018
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I use a combo of Fab Filter and SA2 plus now the AE600 on a bus
Old 12th September 2018
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I banned all McDSP from my workflow because their unfair policy where they locked owner transfer option for all v5 plugins.
Same thing regarding Sonnox.
These guys should stop practicing their non transferable policy... it's 2018!
Fabfiletr DS is the way to go for post.
Old 12th September 2018
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I still really, really LOVE Massey De:Esser on my individual tracks. Best 99$ I’ve ever spent. Tried Fabfilter, but somehow it didn’t work for me. (I know lots of people like it a lot). soothe or SA2 on the buss (not necessarily for esses, but harshness) and iZotope for the really obnoxious whistles.
Old 13th September 2018
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FabFilter ProMB has control over attack parameter.
Old 14th September 2018
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For me, the best solution is Fab Filter Pro DS and Izotope RX 6. I did a lot of tests with different plug-ins with the most unpleasant "ssss". Including there were situations with cheap microphones and with smartphones.
Old 14th September 2018
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I deess with RX6 Spectral Repair. Much more precise than a catch-all deesser.
I do use the Fabfilter ProDS, for slight sibilance on some dialogue, but not to remove a specific S.
+1 more here.

And also clip gain.
Old 24th September 2018
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AVA Deesser, Toneboosters Sibilance(VST only), clip gain and surprisingly ReaComp(VST only). Need to give the Weiss unit a spin. Thanks for the tip.
Old 3rd October 2018
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Since RX6 came up with the spectral de-essing module, I stopped using normal de-essers. Even before, I was using spectral repair in RX5 and "painting away" sibilants with instant process.

I find the spectral de-essing much more natural, with minimum side effects.
Old 4th October 2018
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Fab Filter all the way. Also try manual rides when things are harsh
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