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Examples of unaltred theatrical versions of audio on blu-rays
Old 27th December 2015
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Examples of unaltred theatrical versions of audio on blu-rays

Hi! I have been searching this forum with no luck for answers to this subject.

I am building a medium sized post production room (60m2) and I need some references to get used to the room. I am also quite new to the post part of audio so i do not have that many projects laying around on drives.

I am looking for good sounding blu-ray releases that has unaltred theatrical versions of the 5.1 mix to use as my references. Preferably from the last 10 years.

(I will extract the raw pcm wavs from them)

Could anyone be so kind to point me to some releases? I have heard rumours about "no country for old men" beeing one of them but i am not certain.

(Yes I will Calibrate the room, and yes I will bring some of my stuff to a screening Cinema and Yes I will spend some time with more experienced mixers )

If You would like not to "spill the beans in public" i do not mind PM and I will not share this info if You do not wish me to. Thanks
Old 28th December 2015
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Generally we do a separate near-field mix for major films, specifically for DVD/Blu-ray. I'm not aware of any Blu-rays beimg made directly from the printmaster.
Old 28th December 2015
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If I'm not mistaken, I recall Erik Aadahl mentioning that the Blu-Ray release for the animated film Megamind had a "Theatrical Mix", so I guess without the near-field tweaks for home theater viewing or maybe both are included. I'm not entirely sure.

He talks about it in this seminar hosted by Dolby: https://youtu.be/47nCXgDt084
Old 28th December 2015
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Generally we do a separate near-field mix for major films, specifically for DVD/Blu-ray. I'm not aware of any Blu-rays beimg made directly from the printmaster.
Thank You for the reply soundeditor76

Yes I Know. I was just looking for those very few, if any, major films that for different reasons ended up with the theatrical mix on the blu-ray release.
Old 28th December 2015
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If I'm not mistaken, I recall Erik Aadahl mentioning that the Blu-Ray release for the animated film Megamind had a "Theatrical Mix", so I guess without the near-field tweaks for home theater viewing or maybe both are included. I'm not entirely sure.

He talks about it in this seminar hosted by Dolby: https://youtu.be/47nCXgDt084

Thanks Stephen! Yes you Are right. It seems this one is one of the blu-ray releases that has the theatrical mix. I will definitly buy it and use this as one as a reference
Old 28th December 2015
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Originally Posted by StephenSaldanha View Post
If I'm not mistaken, I recall Erik Aadahl mentioning that the Blu-Ray release for the animated film Megamind had a "Theatrical Mix", so I guess without the near-field tweaks for home theater viewing or maybe both are included. I'm not entirely sure.

He talks about it in this seminar hosted by Dolby: https://youtu.be/47nCXgDt084
Interesting, I did not watch the video but I'm sure you are right, I'll ask him about it when I see him.
Old 20th January 2016
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I think I heard on this forum that Master and Commander Blu Ray was also the Theatrical mix
Old 20th January 2016
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I think I heard on this forum that Master and Commander Blu Ray was also the Theatrical mix
Thank You stagethis! Buying the blue ray today
Old 20th January 2016
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"Mad Max Fury Road", "30 Days of Night" and "Casino Royale" have theatrical mixes, on their european BluRays at least.
All of them have LRA's around 25, dialogues around -30 something LUFS and peaks around 0 dBFS ("30 days of night" peaks at +1.3 TP)
"30 days of night" was the reason I had to sell my previous HT system and buy something smaller with a Dolby Volume compressor in the AV receiver : we watched the movie so low we couldn't hear the dialogues and had to read subtitles and even though the louder parts were way too loud for my living room
Old 24th January 2016
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Originally Posted by StephenSaldanha View Post
If I'm not mistaken, I recall Erik Aadahl mentioning that the Blu-Ray release for the animated film Megamind had a "Theatrical Mix", so I guess without the near-field tweaks for home theater viewing or maybe both are included. I'm not entirely sure.

He talks about it in this seminar hosted by Dolby: https://youtu.be/47nCXgDt084
Bought the Blu Ray, analyzed to LUFS of the C channel, after cutting out everything except plain dialog without music or fx:
dialog only (average and aggressive talking) = -33,0
dialog only (only average talking) = -35,4
Old 29th January 2016
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Bought the Blu Ray, analyzed to LUFS of the C channel, after cutting out everything except plain dialog without music or fx:
dialog only (average and aggressive talking) = -33,0
dialog only (only average talking) = -35,4
Great to know! Thanks!
Old 29th January 2016
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Great to know!
I was looking for a dialog-LUFS guidance before (Theatrical Mix, Dialog in LUFS ? A Plea to the Pros - Avid Pro Audio Community) and the one answer I got there correlates to the Megamind findings.
Thank you for starting this thread, and to StephenSaldanha.
Old 3rd February 2016
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All of blu-rays and dvd for Fox are theatrical mixes.
Old 4th February 2016
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All of blu-rays and dvd for Fox are theatrical mixes.
That is not true. Fox has it's "Nearfield guide" that is more or less the same as Sony. I have personally done a few Fox Nearfield Mixes on Feature Films.
Old 4th February 2016
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That is not true. Fox has it's "Nearfield guide" ...
Glad, you corrected, I was about to buy all Fox Blu Rays.
"Nearfield Guide" : cannot find anything on Google or on Home | 20th Century Fox Studios. Is that a public document ? If so, could you be so kind to reveal the location of that document ?
Thanks,
Joachim
Old 5th February 2016
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The "Nearfield Guide" is for Mixers of Fox Movies for Home Theater. It is not a public guide nor is it offered to anyone outside of the Post Sound Mix team of a particular movie that is being finished in post sound. While there may be some movies that don't get a "Nearfield Mix" because the director or other don't want it, the majority do including those that are Fox and ( name a Studio) Co-Productions.

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Old 6th February 2016
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The "Neared Guide" is for Mixers of Fox Movies for Home Theater. It is not a public guide ...
Thanks for answering. I understand, but it is a pitty as this guide is probably an interesting read for those who want to learn.
Old 26th February 2019
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Nice read! Do you guys have any updates about theatrical mixes being (recently) released on blu ray?
Or any other reliable source to find Movies with theatrical mixes, not nearfield for Home.
Old 26th February 2019
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Nice read! Do you guys have any updates about theatrical mixes being (recently) released on blu ray?
Or any other reliable source to find Movies with theatrical mixes, not nearfield for Home.
You won't find a reliable source. The way distribution of movies work and where you buy the BD you can end up with different mixes on them. Differently authored etc. etc.

Only the distributor for a given territory will ultimately know or probably not know because they simply use whatever they were fed to make the local edition.

Not even the original mix crew will probably know. They might for the original territory and can ask their original producer but they won't know what's on the French or Japanese edition of the film unless all BDs are made in the same place and then shipped.

Measuring just the C track of a film that has mainly explosions and 20 lines of dialogue won't tell you if you're looking at a theatrical mix. LUFS specs for HT mixes are integrated across all channels. DX at -24 with all the FX cut out doesn't necessarily mean it's a HT mix nor does -33 of that track mean it's the theatrical mix. But it could be a hint.

Ultimately only the maker will know for sure. Especially when you bought the BD in a "foreign" territory.

Even BDs with an Atmos track will likely contain an Atmos HT mix. You can't fit a theatrical Atmos mix (for up to 64 Speaker channels) on BD anyway.
Old 26th February 2019
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Yes, probably true as a matter of fact and the distribution ways.
Anyway there might be people around here who were involved in certain releases and are willing to share info concerning particular theatrical mixes.
Old 15th February 2020
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The Nolan 4K collection consists of the original theatrical mix of Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception, The Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar, and Dunkirk. They all sound terrific!
Old 16th February 2020
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The Nolan 4K collection consists of the original theatrical mix of Batman Begins, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception, The Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar, and Dunkirk. They all sound terrific!
Some of those where 7.1 or Atmos originally but that set seems to be 5.1 throughout.

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