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Building a audio rack for rehearsal (grind)
Old 3 weeks ago
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Building a audio rack for rehearsal (grind)

Hi

I'm really lost on how to begin with my audio rack.

We are a 3 man grind core band.

My problem is the sound in our rented room, our drummer plays blast beat extremely loud and we want to build him a drum cage then mic his drum, mic the guitar and the vocals and listen to us at lower volume through the pa.
(we already have lots of foam pannel and bass traps)

so i recently bought a deq2496 with the behringer ecm800 to be able to get a better sound out of my pa, who has to be set at super high volume and not get extreme feedback.

so right now on my rack , i only have a small behringer mixer (qx1202usb) and the deq2496 ( shipped but not received yet).

i need to know what do i need for the drum except the mics? i understand what compressors do but i really dont understand how to wire them and how many do i need? can you use 1 compressor for a whole drum? what about the noise gates? should i buy a mixer like the x32 rackmount?

as you can see i completely lost and i hope you can help me before i waste my money on things i dont really need

thank you very much
Old 3 weeks ago
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I think before start thinking in compress the drums, you should talk with your drummer and see if he can work on his dynamics, play softer try to control him self while playing. Its a win win for everybody.

Another thing to think before the gear its the acoustic of the room, it help a lot specially in this case.

Whats the size of the room?
Old 3 weeks ago
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he cant play softer because hes going as fast as he can and hes fairly new too.
i dont know the dimention of the room but i did put a photo, the drum is placed where the car seat is.

thank you very much for your reply
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Old 3 weeks ago
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I don't think the cage is going to work. The drum's are to loud and the PA is only going to ma it louder.

Spend your money on a descent e drum for rehersals.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Headphones or in ears that contain only vocals and block out most of the super load instruments might work well for rehearsing in that loud room.
Old 3 weeks ago
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who has to be set at super high volume and not get extreme feedback.
I would think it would be the other way around.
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My problem is the sound in our rented room, our drummer plays blast beat extremely loud and we want to build him a drum cage then mic his drum,
wouldn't that be counter-intuitive, if the drummer is too loud?
Every drummer, well most drummers have the ability to hit hard and soft. I'm sure your drummer has this ability, if not, he should practice playing softer.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Maybe consider going with an in-ear setup?

Also, In my experience with this type of music hitting softly is not an option.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Have you considered taming the acoustics of the space?
Old 2 weeks ago
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I don't think the cage is going to work. The drum's are to loud and the PA is only going to ma it louder.

Spend your money on a descent e drum for rehersals.
i dont own the drum, my friend does. im not rich enough to buy him a drum lol
Old 2 weeks ago
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I would think it would be the other way around.

wouldn't that be counter-intuitive, if the drummer is too loud?
i had in mind that it would be possible to almost complety mute him with a kind of soundproof wall in front of the drum, and then mic the drum for a more balance sound
Old 2 weeks ago
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Maybe consider going with an in-ear setup?

Also, In my experience with this type of music hitting softly is not an option.
i think it might be the best thing to do, but i kind of feel sad to not use the 2000$ PA i just bought.. :/
Old 2 weeks ago
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Have you considered taming the acoustics of the space?
yes, i have acoustic foam and bass traps, it did help a little but not enough


thank you all for the replies
Old 2 weeks ago
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i dont own the drum, my friend does. im not rich enough to buy him a drum lol
Get him to buy it :p. I also like the in-ear idea.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Originally Posted by primatreat View Post
yes, i have acoustic foam and bass traps, it did help a little but not enough


thank you all for the replies
Look into Broadband absorbers as they will have more of an impact on the sound than acoustic foam.

If the drums are too loud, simply make the other instruments louder. Am I missing something here?
Old 2 weeks ago
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Look into Broadband absorbers as they will have more of an impact on the sound than acoustic foam.

If the drums are too loud, simply make the other instruments louder. Am I missing something here?
im looking into the absorbers but it looks really expensive.

im going to see at what spl we play to give you and idea of how loud things get.
i expect over 130 db no joke
Old 2 weeks ago
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btw the deq did help a lot. i can push my vocal volume a lot without feedback
Old 2 weeks ago
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You can reduce the drum volume in the room with something like the Clearsonic baffles.
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