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Panned acoustic guitars don’t pass in mono
Old 3 weeks ago
Gear Head

Panned acoustic guitars don’t pass in mono

I am recording an acoustic track and I want to double the guitar track. I have each take panned hard left and hard right. It sounds great in stereo but they collapse a LOT in mono. The correlation meter shows there’s a lot of phase issues too. The takes were recorded in the same room with the same mix which I assume is problem. What’s the best way to fix this? Any idea would be greatly appreciated!
Old 3 weeks ago
Gear Guru

Fortunately I think most people won't listen to it in mono. But anyway, decorrelate it if there's too much correlation. Use a different guitar for the double. A different mic. Different position in the room. Different mic position... And so on... Different fingering on the fretboard?.. Best I can think of.
Old 3 weeks ago
I have each take panned hard left and hard right. It sounds great in stereo but they collapse a LOT in mono.
That is because you only have one panned hard left and one panned hard right. What is in the center? You cannot judge a mix in mono with just 2 instruments panned hard left and right. When checking in mono, check the whole mix and don to solo just 2 instruments.

If its only 2 guitar parts and you want mono translation, then you need to have something in the center, not just hard left and right.
Old 3 weeks ago
Gear Nut

I thought it would just sum both to mono? I hard pan things and I still hear them in mono
Old 2 weeks ago
Gear Head

Thanks guys this was super helpful. When they were hard panned and then checked in mono, they didn’t disappear, just were quieter and thinner. Since it was the same guitar on the same mic in the same room, I think there was a lot of cancelation. I tried swapping the phase but the same issue still occurred. I ended up using my rz062’s mid side feature and I boosted the mid and cut the sides gain. I boosted the highs on the sides and gave the mod a bit more body and the mono test now passes with flying colors. Mono compatible but stereo has that nice shimmer on the sides.
Old 2 weeks ago
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You can also compress/EQ/saturate them with different character tools. Nudging one (time) for a slight delay can be useful.
Old 2 weeks ago
Gear Maniac
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Hard panning for stereo effect only really works when there's differences in the L/R channels. Just need to process them differently. Use a different type of saturation or EQ on one of them, etc.
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