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Mixing - Evolving, being stuck in a rut, the Internet
Old 4 weeks ago
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Mixing - Evolving, being stuck in a rut, the Internet

How did you get out of being stuck with some aspects of mixing?

Did you just take it slow, let time pass and see if you'd figure it out? Did you buy new gear? Did you watch tutorials on YouTube?

How do you feel about all of the information on the Internet vs just doing your own thing at your own pace? There's lots of info on the Internet obviously and everyone shows you their way of doing one same thing, but there's so many buzzwords and product advertisements in disguise (like plugins, DAWs, gear) I question whether the Internet is a good place to learn. Sure there's great, useful information somewhere but there's just too much useless stuff to filter out first.

I think I'm okay at mixing considering I have cheap gear, no room treatment, and no formation. Mixing and all the technical details aren't really my passion but I do get a rush out of it when everything glues together and helps my song deliever better emotions. I'm not sure if I'm stuck or maybe even overwhelmed.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I’ve been there. At one point I reached a plateau where I was not sure if I was improving anymore just studying/reading/trying to get smart by myself.

Answer was simple: I started getting lessons with a pro. I joined a Facebook group of audio engineers from where I live, lurked the discussions a bit and I picked the one I liked most (based on credits and attitude/willingness to help others). And I just PM’d him asking if he gave lessons.

Now we meet say once per month and I have my 5 hours to ask all the stupid question I’d get bashed for on gearslutz. But the best thing of it all is that he comes to my place as we live nearby so we can work together on my songs in my own room, which makes a huge difference.
Old 4 weeks ago
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How did you get out of being stuck with some aspects of mixing?
keep on mixing
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Did you just take it slow, let time pass and see if you'd figure it out?
You could "let time pass" for a long time and never 'figure out' how to fly a jet airplane. Almost anyone who does anything at a high level has taken some kind of lessons, somewhere, somehow.

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Did you buy new gear?
Yes, but this was back in the late Jurassic period. I did not own an EQ, for example. There was NO EQ WHATSOEVER in my studio. Then I bought one and that was the only new thing I had for about that entire year. So I learned how to use it. I learned it inside and out. Today, someone buys a DAW and they instantly have pretty much every single type of device a top studio had in the 1970's - albeit in the form of plugins. In a way, it was easier to learn things one at a time

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Did you watch tutorials on YouTube?
there was no YouTube when I was learning how to engineer

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How do you feel about all of the information on the Internet vs just doing your own thing at your own pace? There's lots of info on the Internet obviously and everyone shows you their way of doing one same thing, but there's so many buzzwords and product advertisements in disguise (like plugins, DAWs, gear) I question whether the Internet is a good place to learn. Sure there's great, useful information somewhere but there's just too much useless stuff to filter out first.
There were many fewer sources of information. A handful of magazines had stories and interviews. You traded tips with other engineers. People would apprentice with an experienced engineer.

It's a trade-off, IMO. If you apprenticed with one guy, you learned his one way of doing it, but you learned it damn well, which might be better than learning 3 ways of doing it, all a bit shakey.

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I think I'm okay at mixing considering I have cheap gear, no room treatment, and no formation. Mixing and all the technical details aren't really my passion but I do get a rush out of it when everything glues together and helps my song deliever better emotions. I'm not sure if I'm stuck or maybe even overwhelmed.
Another thing that was different about "those days" was that most musicians were "just" musicians and most engineers were largely specialists. At least to the extent that not every musician was convinced that he was supposed to be "his own engineer" and there was no other alternative!

When 'home recording' was first taking off, most musicians treated it as a way to save money. i.e. do some tedious one-mic overdubs at home, off the clock, but come back to the big studio to mix, or to track drums, or use their grand piano. It was not originally a mass rush to do "everything" at home.

Today, many people seem to have forgotten that any part of the process can still be hired out. You can send your tracks to an online drummer to play the drums. You can send your mixes out to be mastered.

You can send your tracks out to be mixed. Even if you enjoy doing your own mixes, sending stuff out a few times could be one of the most educational things you could try. Better than YouTube.

There is something to be said for playing to your strengths. There is also a lot to be said for the idea that your identity as an artist is independent from your ability to mix the tracks you wrote and performed. In fact, if you did get "signed" the first thing The Label would do would be to take your sessions away from you and turn them over to Mr. Big Shot Mixer Dude to do a "pro" mix of them.

It all depends on what you are best at, what you enjoy doing, and, if "success" is on your mind, which kinds of outside professional "help" will give your music the best shot at that success.
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mixing for 40 years and never got in a rut..
Old 4 weeks ago
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keep on mixing
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Old 3 weeks ago
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How did you get out of being stuck with some aspects of mixing?
Define "being stuck." If you mean not being able to get the sound I want, I research more and try more. If you mean just burnout, I stop, put it all away, and come back when I'm not feeling burned out any more.

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Did you just take it slow, let time pass and see if you'd figure it out? Did you buy new gear? Did you watch tutorials on YouTube?
For me the answer to figuring something out or getting "unstuck" is never buying new gear. Not a youtube fan for anything informational, though I won't say I never use it.

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How do you feel about all of the information on the Internet vs just doing your own thing at your own pace?
? How are they mutually exclusive? I think the internet is a blessed curse. What's great about it is there's a ton of information out there. What sucks about it is there's a ton of information out there. i.e. there's some great stuff and it's free and instantly accessible...but sometimes you really do have to do a lot of separating the wheat from the chaff, as you alluded to earlier.
Old 3 weeks ago
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How do you feel about all of the information on the Internet vs just doing your own thing at your own pace?
I never once worried or even thought about stuff on the internet when mixing. Why would you?? All your thoughts should be on the mix and mixing the mix the way you like it.
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? There's lots of info on the Internet obviously and everyone shows you their way of doing one same thing
do not worry about anyone else but yourself and the mix you are working on. Worry about your mix, not someones else's mix on the internet. There a million ways to mix a song and the only thing you need to worry about, is how YOU mix it, not some JOE BLOW on the internet
Old 3 weeks ago
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When I started mixing there was no electricity or running water. It just wasn't available back then, never stopped us, we just got on with it. In fact I'd say it kept me humble and helped me focus.
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