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How to emulate these wide (yet transparent) vocals?

Long time lurker; first time poster.

Having a tough time emulating the specific stereo widening technique on the vocals in the link below. I've checked it out with different analyzers and split the MS signals up, and at least half of the signal is on the sides, and hi-passed. The mid info is pretty veiled.

I've played around with different stereo spread plugins and can't get them to sound this transparent.

Please help a brother out. Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XrE5dvJbeE
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I'll have a shot...
There's some reverb/room on it, and that will spread the vocal. There are any number of other things that might be going on such as:

1. More than one reverb, each panned wide.
2. The track might be cloned several times with complementary eq on them (boost 1.5k a little one side and lower it a little on the other side, as an example) and each panned wide.
3. Cloned tracks each with their own reverb and eq, panned around.
4. Maybe some mid-side processing to spread some freqs out to the sides.

You are right - stereo wideners have a distinct sound, and that's not what this track sounds like.
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A touch of high-passed delay/reverb.
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I'll have a shot...
There's some reverb/room on it, and that will spread the vocal. There are any number of other things that might be going on such as:

1. More than one reverb, each panned wide.
2. The track might be cloned several times with complementary eq on them (boost 1.5k a little one side and lower it a little on the other side, as an example) and each panned wide.
3. Cloned tracks each with their own reverb and eq, panned around.
4. Maybe some mid-side processing to spread some freqs out to the sides.

You are right - stereo wideners have a distinct sound, and that's not what this track sounds like.
Reverb was the first thing I assumed, but if you solo the side signal, 90% of it is dry, albeit hi-passed (though you can hear a short reverb in there too).

I tried the complimentary/mirror EQ trick, and I can't get it to not sound phasey. Same with other stereo spread plugins.
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I was looking for this for a long time as well, and then i found this plugin that solved it.
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/...on/imager.html
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I was looking for this for a long time as well, and then i found this plugin that solved it.
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/...on/imager.html
I installed the free version, and I've been playing around with it for the past hour. Definitely cooler and more mono compatible than the other stereo width plugins I've tried, but I'm still getting that phase-y sound. You can hear the flanging between the left and right channels, and it shows on a vectorscope or goniometer. The vocals in the song I posted have no flanging effect whatsoever, and stay quite symmetrical on a goniometer.

This is pretty frustrating, especially seeing as how it's a bedroom recording with just a single, cheap LDC -- sounds too good.
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Well the free version i havent tried. I dont get any phasey sound with this one. Thats why i like it.


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I installed the free version, and I've been playing around with it for the past hour. Definitely cooler and more mono compatible than the other stereo width plugins I've tried, but I'm still getting that phase-y sound. You can hear the flanging between the left and right channels, and it shows on a vectorscope or goniometer. The vocals in the song I posted have no flanging effect whatsoever, and stay quite symmetrical on a goniometer.

This is pretty frustrating, especially seeing as how it's a bedroom recording with just a single, cheap LDC -- sounds too good.
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Well the free version i havent tried. I dont get any phasey sound with this one. Thats why i like it.

I may have to bite the bullet, in that case...
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Send me a vocal and i process it here and send it back so you can check if it works or not

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I may have to bite the bullet, in that case...
Old 1 week ago
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Not everything is done in the box. This one simply has a decent sound tracking live.
If you're trying to get close mixing with dry signals then you'll have to find a short tight reverb with a living room ambiance
because that's exactly what they have going on there.
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Send the dry vocal to an aux track with a short reverb panned to the left.
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I recognise this effect.

I discovered it many years ago when messing around with Voxengo Stereo Touch, which is a free plugin.

The effect you're hearing is caused by Haas delays that are mixed in with the original signal. These phase anomalies change the tonality and the perceived location and spread of the sound source. There are many techniques that you can use to do this. Stereo Touch makes this a breeze.

Haas delays are very short delays, often under 20ms that the ear naturally fuses with the original sound (i.e. doesn't create an obvious delay repeat).

Congratulations. You've just discovered one of the mixing secrets of the pro's.
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Not everything is done in the box. This one simply has a decent sound tracking live.
If you're trying to get close mixing with dry signals then you'll have to find a short tight reverb with a living room ambiance
because that's exactly what they have going on there.
I hear those tight reverbs, but that's not the stereo effect to which I'm referring. If you download the audio track from the link and get rid of the mid information, you'll hear that about half of the overall dry vocal signal (not the verb) is really symmetrical stereo processing, which has to have been done in the box, unless the mic she used is some fancy stereo mic disguised as a cheap LDC.
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I hear those tight reverbs, but that's not the stereo effect to which I'm referring. If you download the audio track from the link and get rid of the mid information, you'll hear that about half of the overall dry vocal signal (not the verb) is really symmetrical stereo processing, which has to have been done in the box, unless the mic she used is some fancy stereo mic disguised as a cheap LDC.
The download version is different from the audio posted on YouTube.
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The download version is different from the audio posted on YouTube.
By download I mean downloading the audio from the YouTube video with a youtube-to-mp3 website.
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This is pretty frustrating, especially seeing as how it's a bedroom recording with just a single, cheap LDC -- sounds too good.
It's even more impressive when you consider the microphone she is using doesn't have a cable attached!
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Those vocals sound to perfect. I'd say there's a good dose of pitch correction going on.
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It's even more impressive when you consider the microphone she is using doesn't have a cable attached!
HA! I didn't even see that.
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HA! I didn't even see that.
Yeah, I catched that by chance Anyway, never trust what you see on youtube, trust your ears! I saw many videos (sometimes with cheap microphones well in view) with a very good sound in bad/untreated rooms, I think that's a sort of marketing strategy.
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