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You are talking about modern indie Psych
ahhh yes !! "Neo-Psych"
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These three modern bands are In my opinion the most accurately related to what someone who sees Hendrix, old Floyd, LSD, jeff airplane, as psychedelic, Psych rock
Dungen
Tame Impala
Unknown Mortal Orchestra
Tame Impala I have heard before, the other two I just checked out. I have to say, I still don't see it. I must confess, I don't hear a drop of Jimi Hendrix in Tame Impala's music. It reminds me more of the Pet Shop Boys than the Doors.

Dungen at least has an audible lead guitar part even if everything else is kind of murky. To be honest, even the "influence" is hard to discern. Whatever these people are taking as their influences must be some aspect of the psychedelic music of the 60's that I consider rather tangential.

I will admit the videos are pretty trippy! Maybe some of them have lyrics that are singing about taking Acid, I couldn't really tell. But does that mean that if I program a drum machine and rap over it with lyrics about taking LSD, that makes my music "psychedelic"?

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At any rate it’s a state of mind. Or altered mind
And an approach to songwriting. Not a preamp- that will yield the best results.
We certainly agree there.


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This book by Jim DeRogatis is pretty interesting in how it makes an argument for various avant-garde stuff that I hadn’t really considered as “psychedelic”...as being psychedelic. Really interesting perspective.
In my reading today I came across Flaming Lips frontman Wayne Coyne saying something similar. He said that even Gustav Mahler is "psychedelic". Because he 'breaks the rules' and 'gets inside his own head'. OK, sure. But I thought we were trying to find a definition of a musical genre that was specific enough to engender a preamp recommendation.

Yes, sure, take enough drugs and literally anything and everything is "psychedelic". Seems to me, however, that you come to a point where stretching the definitions so far renders the term meaningless as a useful musical descriptor.

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??????

Al Schmitt produced the Jefferson Airplane record that was mentioned and had nothing to do with any of John Mc Laughlin's recordings to the best of my knowledge. I don't like all the guitar sounds that Mc Laughlin ever came up with but I love 'Devotion' and 'Extrapolation' especially.

My first encounter with Mahavishnu was hearing 'Birds of Fire' on a stereo system that an older cousin of mine had. First time I consciously heard stereo playback and the music was like pure electricity. To this day I can remember the impact it had, I was about 8 or 9 years old..... 'Birds of Fire' is still one of my fave records, beautifully recorded by Ken Scott. A masterpiece.
got that wrong - thx for clarification!

and yes: i was pretty much puzzled when i first got to hear birds of fire - brilliant compositions/improvisations/playing/engineering!
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I would get a pair of TG Channels or TG Microphone Cassettes or one of each if stereo isn't a priority or can be achieved via another option (which wouldn't be a bad idea). One of each of those and an API A2D with the expansion AD inputs (or are they standard I can't remember) would pretty much cover all your ideal instrument tones and tracking signal processing needs. The EQ on the TG channel is going to be the highest fidelity and most flexible EQ that has that kind of tone, the TG Mic Cassette is going to give you the elusive compressor tones, and the API 312 pres for stereo also have a tone that is complimentary yet contrasting to the TG sound. However these are all extremely subtle qualities that you'll only notice for what they really are if you get your performances, instrument sounds, and recording technique down and your mixes correct. If you're a beginner when it comes to music then I suggest getting something like the Audient iD22 and then build from there. I have a talented musician friend who bought the Audient after years of using really cheezy gear and making bad recordings that suddenly started sending me usable tracks since that purchase. Of course mics are more important but a great mic that doesn't match a preamp can sound pretty bad.
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Talking about 'psychedelic gear', check out John Cippolina's guitar rig with Quicksilver Messenger Service:

John Cipollina Amplifier Stack and Gibson SG
In the transitional time when bands were trying to be loud in larger venues, but PA systems were not routinely putting mics on guitar amps, this was John Cippolina’s solution. It was a truly unique sound, and he was very tasty about not being loud all the time.
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Are you listening, Uli?
There is obviously a market for the "Psychedelic Preamp"!

You could say it was "inspired by the famous preamps used at Woodstock".

There is money to be made here!
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Sure (not Shure), package a low cost preamp with a paisley paint job and you have “The Preamp of the Age of Aquarius.”
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Ohm.......
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I don't hear a drop of Jimi Hendrix in Tame Impala's music. It reminds me more of the Pet Shop Boys than the Doors.


I don’t know to some one that was there in th 60s and 70s would find anything “authentic” as the first scene is just that. Garage rock/psyche/kraut rock of that era was shaped by its time.

Same as with these newer bands. They live in their time so they within their zeitgeist and follow its tropes etc.
Also I gather a lot of kids take far less drugs, different drugs or no drugs these days.
My glory stories certainly bring disinterest to most young NYC hipster ears these days. Young folks are accepting in a broader sense about LGBT (I never met a music scene that wasn’t gay friendly though or racist etc. always liberal) and have a socialist lean but also are more docile and much less reckless.

So the old psychedelic LSD influenced vibe might just be replaced by weed or no drugs at all. I know Molly has replaced say LSD or Shrooms for the most part in a recreational sense. But this is a drug that isnt frequently done. The dance party scene mostly. And there it is taken often.
But young men love their fuzz pedals and analog delays still.

I meant that the OPs references don’t really have as much of a thread to say the 60s and 70s as you will find in the bands I mentioned. Any band from now will also sound of their time as well. My formal years were the 90s and the Psychedelic bands of the era sound very 80s and 90s with touches of 60s as well.
We were very into our drug and sex culture though in the 90s and it was the same from 2000-2012. 2012 was a year I noticed a pronounced drop off in hedonism. It was as if kids never left the house as teens. They were so square by comparison these new crop of young hipsters moving to NYC. And London and LA went through a similar change as well. It’s like Square bedroom kids were just remotely streaming old psych or punk what have you and then making their own music for their generations minus the hedonism. It’s actually very uncool to talk about being a boy sleeping around with girls or taking loads of drugs in the music press these days. It’s very PC in the indie rock entertainment world. And that will be a funnel that music may be going through as well. So dang, I don’t want presume what the OP is about. I know there are a few dirt bag kids still around and I hope they make some really great music
I’ll post some YouTube examples.
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Early Tame Impala



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Early Tame Impala



That first song is a like a cross between Strawberry alarm clock and the Association but with a small metal influence almost. The songwriting albeit cliche' is very good. However these recordings are pretty bad even compared to 60s bands who did this all live in the studio in one take.

Last song is like Trex or some 70s NY glam protometal
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Dungen performing live.


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Dungen performing live.


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this sound ok
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This is Unknown Mortal Orchestra



He has a lot of songs that sound like they could fit alongside

Status Quo or The Creation etc on a Nuggets compilation

And then he also goes off into a Stevie wonder songs in the key of life Shuggie Otis vibe at times. He will do a punk Hendrix Zappa thing with his guitar leads.

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I hear you. But that’s the rub. Bands in past era actually had a music industry to help guide them. Mentors, engineers, producers. Investment capital. These guys are using like cheap digidesign Mboxes with their built in pres (DIing the instruments that way) self recording and recording straight into a lap top. And basically novices. After some initial success things get a bit better. Also a lot of those garage rock psych era recording don’t sound all that great. It’s the great songs and performances that make up for it. Also 1 take bands back in the day were well rehearsed. These days it’s usually one guy in a bedroom playing every instrument and he is almost certainly writing these tunes on the spot so you are hearing basically a polished demo on an album.

But when you are competing with the pop world where over something like 99% of streams on Spotify are commercial pop songs. Your drakes and your Taylor Swift’s and your cardi Bs and any alternatives are ? What ? Zero money or support from streaming. Pink Floyd would have never written or released a dark side of the moon with out the resources in the prior years to bring them to that point
I’m grateful to have great artists from the past. But I don’t want my record collection to be stuck in time. I want to be hearing new music till I’m old and in the way. So derivative or not... I’m thankful that young musicians are trying at least to kick out the jams. And grateful that there are enough young ears to listen.
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I think this guy is smart enough to as you say water down his songs just enough.
Look at the size of this crowd. He headlines international festivals like this all the time.
And personally for me I’m happy because if he’s attracting fans to his kind of music he’s like a gate way drug no? Other bands will come along. Perhaps progressive and there will be an audience that has developed an appetite for it rather then Kanye West or other chart topping corporate pop.

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I think this guy is smart enough to as you say water down his songs just enough.
Look at the size of this crowd. He headlines international festivals like this all the time.
And personally for me I’m happy because if he’s attracting fans to his kind of music he’s like a gate way drug no? Other bands will come along. Perhaps progressive and there will be an audience that has developed an appetite for it rather then Kanye West or other chart topping corporate pop.

...and the white girls sing “doot, dadoot, dadoot, dootdadoot...”

Apologies to LR
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That first song is a like a cross between Strawberry alarm clock and the Association but with a small metal influence almost. The songwriting albeit cliche' is very good. However these recordings are pretty bad even compared to 60s bands who did this all live in the studio in one take.

Last song is like Trex or some 70s NY glam protometal
Those recordings were done by one person (Kevin) in houses not studios with a cheap Boss multitrack. They were mixed by Dave Fridmann who did a stellar job with the low quality recordings. Since then Kevin has become far better at recording and mixing and the last record he did is very good sonically.

Last time I saw them perform live it was like a Beatles scenario. Girls screaming so loud you couldn't hear the music. I'll be seeing them in London in 3 days.
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This is Unknown Mortal Orchestra



He has a lot of songs that sound like they could fit alongside

Status Quo or The Creation etc on a Nuggets compilation

And then he also goes off into a Stevie wonder songs in the key of life Shuggie Otis vibe at times. He will do a punk Hendrix Zappa thing with his guitar leads.

Ruban is a cool guitar player. Last time I saw him he did his usual Hendrix/Zappa but also some very nice chromatic stuff I wasn't expecting at all. Now I've seem Reine Fiske (Dungen) do some outrageous stuff but for me Ruban is way more consistent and has a better live tone. Dungen can get pretty messy live.
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Vintage Joe Meek
Yeah. Anyone who hasn’t heard that, and is interested in psychedelic recordings, is missing out.

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It comes to mind that the dub stuff from Lee Perry, that was gathered together on the Arkology set, has a lot of cool, trippy mixes. He didn’t have much to work with. I find it interesting to listen to stuff like that...trying to get more out of less can be a good path.
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Tame Impala fan here!

Your all still invited to the Psychedelic Shack-ahem thread over at "Too Little Time"!

Found under "Time Has Come Today"!
(Sorry-not under "Stop-Hammer Time")

We can leave our car keys with Bushman, hereby nominated as designated (& updated) driver.

"Come along if you dare" for the journey inside your mind!
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Yes, Joe Meek & Scratch Perry, two Mad geniuses.
If they were two heads on the Mt. Rushmore of recording, Phil Spector takes the other spot.

Chris
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Yes, Joe Meek & Scratch Perry, two Mad geniuses.
If they were two heads on the Mt. Rushmore of recording, Phil Spector takes the other spot.

Chris
If it’s just “recording” without any qualifier, I hope you have room on that mountain for a ton of heads. Maybe for a standard ton AND a metric ton.
Scratch Perry? Then we get a whole mountain ridge for Hawaiian recording and another for Carolina beach music. Where do you put Edison, Berliner, Neve...is there a different mountain for tech? If so, does Joe Meek show up with those guys or somewhere else?
Oh, wait! There is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I honestly don’t know who is in. Phil Spector probably is. But Scratch Perry?
Now I’m going to look him up and see if I should know him.
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And I do know him, vaguely, from a Bob Marley history video. Didn’t recognize the name. Still, if he’s on Rushmore, you need a much bigger mountain. And no disrespect. He is important in Reggae as is his historic studio. (Which he says he burned to the ground decades ago).
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"Forty thousand Bushmen couldn't help me change my mind" Bushman!
All in fun...

Maybe I should sing that one for my first vocal clip posting ever on GS,
over at the psychedelic thread. I hope everyone agree THAT one is truly psychedelic. Plus I might get the chance to "put ketchup on it" (effects),
like John Lennon used to ask George Martin.

Hard to believe John Lennon didn't like his voice that much. I like mine, but have been pretty shy about posting it in the cyberworld.

Chris
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"Forty thousand Bushmen couldn't help me change my mind" Bushman!
All in fun...

Maybe I should sing that one for my first vocal clip posting ever on GS,
over at the psychedelic thread. I hope everyone agree THAT one is truly psychedelic. Plus I might get the chance to "put ketchup on it" (effects),
like John Lennon used to ask George Martin.

Hard to believe John Lennon didn't like his voice that much. I like mine, but have been pretty shy about posting it in the cyberworld.

Chris
I thought we had heard your voice. Maybe we’ve just heard a lot about your voice.
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Methinks it's been the latter...

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