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MAAT thEQorange
Old 2nd December 2018
  #31
Seems like exactly that ;-) *ALL* linear phase EQ´s cancel out if comparing the ones that use the same code implementation, which is either FFT based, or bidirectional (this one being the higher quality implementation) and if the Q factors/band shapes are the same. This will be no different with this one - there is no magic, it´s physics, you either have MP with no pre-ringing but post-ringing instead, or you have LP with pre-ringing, which gets more noticeable the higher the boost/cut and the narrower the Q factor. But sure, bring it on, we will test, right? I am sure all the hundreds of D/A A/D converter engineers like for example Mr. Lavry or Mr. Weiss, or the guys at Apogee, as well as the guys over at Izotope which use LP during resampling and warn of the pre-ringing associated with it, will be happy to hear that this now has been solved by you and you´ve managed to overcome physic laws. For that money, I hope you´ll have a demo to convince all of us ;-) I am the last one that will not admit I´ve been wrong once I hear and measure it really does what you say.

P.S.: Sorry, not going to happen that I demo it, just saw that when clicking try out:
"MAAT’s thEQ line requires a 3-Series CmStick USB dongle and the current software framework from Wibu Systems."

I am neither purchasing a CmStick USB dongle to DEMO a plug-in, nor am I going to install the crappy Wibu Systems software that uses kernel mode drivers to hook and redirect system calls and can basically do everything it wants with these kernel permissions on my DAW.

Last edited by XARC Mastering; 2nd December 2018 at 04:21 AM..
Old 2nd December 2018
  #32
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There is more than enough that can compete and surpass nowadays, we don´t live in 2009 anymore.
We all dream about certain things.
Old 2nd December 2018
  #33
Love how you just came up with these plausible facts out of nowhere, mate. Now I can´t say anything else than that I stand corrected now
Old 2nd December 2018
  #34
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There is more than enough that can compete and surpass nowadays, we don´t live in 2009 anymore.
I don't live in 2009 no more, but that doesn't change anything.
Old 2nd December 2018
  #35
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Love how you just came up with these plausible facts out of nowhere, mate. Now I can´t say anything else than that I stand corrected now
No offense intended, but says the so called Mastering guy that never tried even a single one of the Algorithmix Equalizers.
Old 2nd December 2018
  #36
Says the experienced engineer who joined in 2016 and fanboys without any facts. You are a cute little troll, won´t waste a single second more with you - but better get back under your bridge now.
Old 26th December 2018
  #37
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I'd rather wait for the theqbundle for only 3.000$ ...

...not
Old 27th December 2018
  #38
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It will sound no better than Pro Q3 with 100x less versatility. Would not even conceive demoing it.
Old 27th December 2018
  #39
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Probably the best eq out there??
Look forward to try it...

MAAT thEQorange
The price and a unique dongle?

What d|psh1t is running that strategy

In today’s market price environment, I think I’d rsther buy a couple of grown men in a slavery caper and train them to eq perfectly under fear of death.

I’d feel better about that choice than spending a grand on a plugin with some proprietary dongle

Jesus
Old 30th December 2018
  #40
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The price and a unique dongle?

What d|psh1t is running that strategy

In today’s market price environment, I think I’d rsther buy a couple of grown men in a slavery caper and train them to eq perfectly under fear of death.

I’d feel better about that choice than spending a grand on a plugin with some proprietary dongle

Jesus
well perhaps I won't put it quite so colourfully, but um, yes.

Maat's entire model is ridiculous as well as them simply never listening to customers regarding code meter.

BUT, it must be working for them, as they keep releasing plugins.. so who am I to judge. Maybe they really only care about high end studios with lots of cash.
Old 30th December 2018
  #41
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Only $760? Bargain, I'll have two!
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Lucky you, for me it's 814€ (including VAT)
Lucky you, it's €978 for me ($1120).
Old 2nd January 2019
  #42
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So this is essentially like Crave EQ "transparent phase" technology, but much more expensive?
Old 10th January 2019
  #43
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Dear Mastering and Audio Engineers,

I am Friedemann Tischmeyer, mastering engineer and the founder of MAAT.digital. We at MAAT had a misleading communication and I would like to shed some light on this and excuse for that.

Reissuing the gorgeous Algorithmix tools is one of the many reasons why I founded MAAT. I have used the Algorithmix LP PEQ Orange alongside other Algorithmix tools on a daily basis for more than 15 years. On more than 1000 of my releases, it became an essential tool in my mastering chain. Long before I started MAAT, I searched around on the EQ plug-in market to find a replacement due to the many requests of my students asking for gear recommendations. I couldn’t find an alternative, which is why we went on this long journey to re-issue the Orange EQ in a new look and with new functions to make it even better.

The reason why thEQorange is so special for me is its ability to sound “correct” and natural when I remove resonances and clean up the lower midrange when compared to other EQs.
Suddenly the mix seems to appear lighter and comes out from the loudspeakers with more ease so that it gets ready for subsequent treatments which I do either with the PEQ Red or my analog mastering chain.

However, I always looked on that project from my passionate audiophile user point of view rather than a pure technical or analytic view. I have actually no clue why it is the case that thEQorange sounds different from other surgical LP EQs used for such tasks. I was wondering about it but not asking for the reason as I am no DSP guru anyway. And here comes the accident: Due to a very high workload in my new studio with an 80h working week in a mix with crazy stuff happening in my private life, I didn’t get the opportunity to work with Oliver to prepare the campaign for thEQorange release. Despite it being my responsibility as the CEO of MAAT to approve all information used before release, I simply didn´t find the spare time for this which in turn caused the publication of misleading technical information regarding the pre-ringing behavior of thEQorange. “No pre-ringing” is basically bull****, please excuse us for the release of this wrong information.

My dear colleague Bob Katz asked me to look deeper into this and finally I found some time within the last two weeks to investigate the technical aspects of the EQ design with the help of Dr. Hatje (the DSP programmer) and Dr. Musialik (the DSP algorithm architect). It gave me a full picture of the facts: thEQorange is a forward/backward-based linear-phase EQ and it does have pre-ringing by definition, like every linear-phase equalizer. “Why it sounds to me better than any other linear-phase EQ I tested so far?” I asked the experts. The reason for that might be the chosen method of implementing linear-phase filters, the refined signal windowing, the extreme accuracy of calculations, consideration of psychoacoustics … probably a great combination of all. The development and optimization of details for the Orange algorithm took many months of intensive mathematical simulations, programming, and audio tests.

Both of us, Oliver and I, hate misleading marketing messages which can be found throughout the world of audio too often and - as I love MAAT, and what we do and will continue doing in the future - I promise that such an error will never happen again.

One final thought may be allowed: I purchased the Algorithmix PEQ Orange for crazy sum of €1,200 back in the day and every penny was worth it. The current price of $990 is also at a premium but it´s definitely still worth every penny. As a licensee of the original code, we are bound to royalty agreements and the specialists involved into this project are top scale professionals. A surgical EQ is a tool, mastering engineers spend usually more setup time on than with any other tool in their chain. I am very happy with the outcome, as the new UI makes it faster and easier to set up. Now, thEQorange also saves my time while improving the sound quality. And even if it saves only a few minutes for every song, thEQorange pays for itself pretty fast.

Anyways, thEQorange is a specialized tool for pros who want to make a difference, and despite other companies having devaluated the perception of the value of software, we think that everybody has the freedom of choice to drive a Fiat or a Ferrari or -- to use another metaphor -- every wine drinker has the free choice between Trader Joe’s or a Haut Médoc.

Once again, sorry for creating confusion! And cheers with a good wine :-)

Friedemann Tischmeyer
Old 10th January 2019
  #44
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Ok, 990 is a lot, but it may be worth it.

The problem is I can't even judge that, because I have to buy a Wibu Dongle! Seriously, that's more ridiculous than the price. If you really want dongle protection, why don't you go with the industry standard, that a lot of us already have?
Old 11th January 2019
  #45
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Jesus christ, for a 1000 bucks EQ plugin (from 15 yr old code?) I would at least expect to be able to try it out, without being forced to buy a dongle that no one uses anymore first.
Old 11th January 2019
  #46
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WTF is a WIBU dongle!? I already have an ILOK dongle. I don't need another dongle. You are literally making us pay $50 to try your $1000 eq.... You're out of your damned mind. Ridiculous!
Old 11th January 2019
  #47
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Hi Friedemann,

Humans make mistakes, no problem with that.

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Anyways, thEQorange is a specialized tool for pros who want to make a difference
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we think that everybody has the freedom of choice to drive a Fiat or a Ferrari or -- to use another metaphor -- every wine drinker has the free choice between Trader Joe’s or a Haut Médoc.
Sorry to say this but to me this sounds like cheap marketing.

Regarding the Wibu dongle: i really can't understand a "Ferrari" running with broken tires.

At least if you know you are using a dongle that almost nobody has, you could help yourselves a little bit doing some videos showing the EQ in action, and provide some high res files with and without the EQ in the areas you think other EQs fall short, so other people can listen and try to compare with theirs "Fiat" EQs.

It's the final user's opinion the one that really matters (if you want to sell something of course).

Best regards,

Daniel.
Old 11th January 2019
  #48
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You can try the $100 all-pass filter for free, though...(no dongle)
Old 11th January 2019
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You can try the $100 all-pass filter for free, though...(no dongle)
If this is true it makes even less sense to attach a $900 plugin to a dongle for the purpose of activating a demo license. Especially outside of the iLok platform. Just my opinion, but if they are making enough profit without either migrating or providing a demo via email than more power to them. I'll the check out the all pass filter but won't be going through the inconvenience of ordering a dongle.
Old 11th January 2019
  #50
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Was hoping to hear thEQorange in action...

YouTube
Old 11th January 2019
  #51
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I would love to hear this against Crave EQ.
Old 11th January 2019
  #52
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I've been using the Red and Blue for years. I can vouch that they screw up the part of the signal they are not processing the least of anything I've tried. The fact that they work at 80-bit float could be a part of why. The codemeter dongle is also used by a number of high end DAWs. I'm very happy to see these products resurrected.
Old 11th January 2019
  #53
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Hi Bob,

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The codemeter dongle is also used by a number of high end DAWs.
Could you tell us which ones?

Thank you,
Daniel.
Old 11th January 2019
  #54
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I can test drive a ferrari lol
Old 12th January 2019
  #55
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Hi Bob,



Could you tell us which ones?

Thank you,
Daniel.
Samplitude (optionally), Sequoia, LC1.

Contrary to problems experienced by others, in 15+ years of using dongles I've never experienced faults.

Today, I still use an original (pre-Codemeter) WIBU dongle, Codemeter, iLok1, iLok2, eLicensor. All connected to one DAW.

I'm assuming I'm lucky, so I hope my luck doesn't run out now that I've said it out loud - I've been terrified about iLoks in the past and don't like the long load overhead when instantiating iLok protected plugins, but I've never had dramas with dongles. Not sure if that makes me an outlier.
Old 12th January 2019
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Could you tell us which ones?

also Steinberg use e-licenser dongles
Old 12th January 2019
  #57
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Samplitude (optionally), Sequoia, LC1.
So, Magix, Magix and Magix.
Old 13th January 2019
  #58
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codemeter
This.
Old 13th January 2019
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Samplitude (optionally), Sequoia, LC1.

Contrary to problems experienced by others, in 15+ years of using dongles I've never experienced faults.

Today, I still use an original (pre-Codemeter) WIBU dongle, Codemeter, iLok1, iLok2, eLicensor. All connected to one DAW.

I'm assuming I'm lucky, so I hope my luck doesn't run out now that I've said it out loud - I've been terrified about iLoks in the past and don't like the long load overhead when instantiating iLok protected plugins, but I've never had dramas with dongles. Not sure if that makes me an outlier.
Hi Diggo,

Sequoia and Samplitude don't need any dongle.

System requirements and other specifications - Sequoia 14

Specifications - Samplitude Pro X4

Best regards,

Daniel.
Old 13th January 2019
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Hi Diggo,

Sequoia and Samplitude don't need any dongle.

System requirements and other specifications - Sequoia 14

Specifications - Samplitude Pro X4

Best regards,

Daniel.
Both can still be used with dongle and that's how I choose to use them, including ProX4.

Like I said, I've never had a dongle-related problem and don't fear (or loathe) Codemeter at all.
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