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UAD X coming soon ... ?
Old 4th September 2018
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There's no way they'd do all these teasers for what would essentially be a bug-fix release with/without some new plugs.

I'm hoping it's more of a 'Generation X' type of X, meaning a whole new system.

Releasing a card with 10 sharcs instead of 8 - too lame for UA.

As for the post above quoting me saying I didn't know much about it at all - correct!
I made it clear my observations were taken from one Wikipedia article - I do like the idea that they could release a single card with 4 quads or 4 octos worth of power on it.
Anything less would be a disappointment, let's face it.
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Old 4th September 2018
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UA is taking notes from IK's teasers and releasing something for the iphone.
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Old 4th September 2018
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It’s a UAD softsynth of the Oberheim OB-X they’ve been working on it for 3 years now. Not running on Sharc’s Though.
Old 4th September 2018
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Maybe a Universal Audio DAW?
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Old 4th September 2018
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I would guess for it to be:

Version 10 UAD Software
along with 4 new plugins

Console 3.0 with some fancy new features to make it feel more like a real analog studio. (better flex routing across multiple Apollos and new integration into popular DAWs alongside using Softube Console Hardware) Maybe 3.0 recognizes the movement towards Room EQ Correction software and integrates that. (Would be awesome!) Console 3.0 also addresses Summing and Console Emulation.

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-Older 50's/60's - Ampex/Studer Tape Machine Plugin (440? 350? A80?)
-Fender Amp Sim Plugin 60's/70's (Twin? Super Reverb?)
-Universal Audio 176 Compressor
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Old 4th September 2018
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I don’t know but this marketing campaign is giving me blue balls.

Just tell us already.
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Old 4th September 2018
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Maybe a Universal Audio DAW?
I "might" be into that idea if it was well designed and integrated with the Apollos to allow a seamless sort of experience like PTHD. It would have to be pretty damn good though, which is why it also would be a support headache and not something I see UA being very willing to take on.
Old 4th September 2018
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A DAW needs many years to maturate and thousands of hours of men work. I think a company like UAD wouldn't waste resources on something like a DAW which is way more complex than what they currently do.
Old 4th September 2018
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A DAW needs many years to maturate and thousands of hours of men work. I think a company like UAD wouldn't waste resources on something like a DAW which is way more complex than what they currently do.
I don't know if I would jump ship completely, but I've joked with a lot of friends over the years and we've all said we'll kill ProTools the minute UA comes out with a DAW. I would at least give it a go for tracking and then dump everything into ProTools later for the mix. It's not that much of a pain with dual screens switching between ProTools and the UAD Console when tracking, but I would be down with cutting back to one program to make tracking easier. I'm sure the people using the Apollo's live would love it as well if it's solid enough!
Old 4th September 2018
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UA is taking notes from IK's teasers and releasing something for the iphone.
SHARC Architecture (SHARCitecture?*) ported to a SIM card so you can run UAD plugins on your phone?

* I expect a check from Analog Devices!
Old 4th September 2018
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Well, regarding the DAW concept...part of Metric Halo's DSP deal is allowing a simple tracking DAW to offer a quick and simple recording solution. Other companies like Presonus used to offer (I haven't looked for a while) a simple recording solution, separate from Studio One. I could see UA offering something to make tracking happen. It's not out of the question in my mind, although that isn't what I'd be leaning towards.
Old 4th September 2018
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Any new card should at least double the power, but probably not that. I am thinking new apollo 8 interfaces, maybe 8 core, since they are just discounting them right now until sept. 15, so maybe an announcement on sept. 16?
Old 4th September 2018
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i am just about to pull the trigger on a 8P.
can somebody please tell if this is stupid at this moment?
is there a new Apollo on the way?

thanks a lot !!
Old 4th September 2018
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The teaser does NOT say UAD. It says Universal Audio X. I don't think it's UAD specific.

We've been told by UA folks it's the letter "X" and NOT 10.
I‘m sorry to ask but do you know that X is the roman sign/letter for 10? … and this right after a current version 9.

I understand that marketing people want this thing to be called with a distinct name. They also have to come up with something new to get around higher version numbers ... XP, Cubase SX, Photoshop CS etc

guess what version came after Logic Pro 9
Old 4th September 2018
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Have the announced a reveal date?
Old 5th September 2018
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i am just about to pull the trigger on a 8P.
can somebody please tell if this is stupid at this moment?
is there a new Apollo on the way?

thanks a lot !!
Do it on the last day of the 20% off deal, I think Sept. 15, and make sure you can return it for the next month after and hopefully you will be covered...
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Old 5th September 2018
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The teaser does NOT say UAD. It says Universal Audio X. I don't think it's UAD specific.

We've been told by UA folks it's the letter "X" and NOT 10. So, I don't think it's version 10 of anything, at least not as the main feature.

TOP FIVE guesses:
1. X refers to expansion. A larger Satellite or a rack unit for Sharc chips. An UA hardware controller, a la Control One, would be pretty sweet, though.

2. X refers to some sort of cross communication protocol that's a hybrid. While current UA interfaces lack modern protocols competitors have, namely AV Bridge (AVB), last year they did release UAD-2 Live Rack with MADI. Maybe this product will allow for greater expansion of this type of usage for both studio and stage.

3. Last year UA released the OX box for guitar players. I could see them continuing down this path with a X box for a keyboard controller, or maybe an actual keyboard controller with OX-like DSP processing for old-school synths. They could partner with someone like Arturia to have their soft synths be used live or in the studio without the need of a computer or plugin on site.

4. X refers to 'X marks the spot.' Maybe UA X is something you hit...or stomp, like a foot pedal that can load certain amp sims or plugin qualities.

5. X refers to their own brand of microphone like the Townsend Labs Sphere, Antelope, Slate, etc. It's Microphone X.
If this were not pertaining to the UAD plugin platform, the teaser would have simply been a UA logo and the X worked into it.
This is a release directly extending from or parallel to the UAD2 plugin platform.
I do suspect it could have some added protocol enablements included, whatever it is.
As to releasing something on par with OX for keyboard players, I think this is far fetched, no one would consider any special product line for keyboard players a big deal, that would be an ongoing open forum discussion resulting in a product that no one would actually buy.
I do suspect that their may be a line of soft synths or modelled instruments being added to the UAD2 platform, many UA surveys have consistently included questions on this front, could be cool if it is something smart like the MODO BASS and not some sample library + a soft synth, I would think that would be a disaster for UA to even try on. Knowing UA are not silly about products they choose to emulate I'm all for the MODO BASS type of instrument line , unless it turns out to be just modeling tired ass old synths that have already been emulated to death.
The notion of their own microphone does pique my curiosity but considering the relationships they have formed and nurtured with the mighty Townsend builders, not so sure about this either. Actually, I completely doubt it.
I have long thought that a UAD based DAW would be really cool. Not sure it can actually be done but I would buy it knowing it may have a year or two of weirdness to compensate for until they get it nailed and widely usable. If they did do this, and they got it right, so long Protools once and for all, it could render protools and most others DAW's to artifacts embraced by old people and studios so financially locked into AVID they will never break free of that software .
Console 3, although I find very little about Console 2 to gripe about, I'm sure others more technically switched on with using multiple channels in Console may have a punchlist of stuff that they want updated.
I have a few other suspicions of what this all might be but safe to say I don't think it is much of any of the above. Universal Audio are a ULTRA conservative business model with a steep investment in the vintage, I would not expect anything revolutionary/evolutionary in modern terms or anything that could be perceived as state of the art, it's just not the haircut they rock. They are the romantic patrons and guardians of the bygone for the discerning digital world, to think that there would be some sort of meteoric shift in what and how UA presents itself in the audio world would be kind of nuts, this tried and true company lives on it's laurels 110%. Whatever it is, it will be much more akin to what already is, perhaps better, perhaps just a new snare for a newly targetted potential paying customer.
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Old 5th September 2018
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What for? For UA HD with an X instead?
Hmm.. maybe for a new version of Console that's akin to Harrison Mixbus...
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Old 5th September 2018
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i am just about to pull the trigger on a 8P.
can somebody please tell if this is stupid at this moment?
is there a new Apollo on the way?

thanks a lot !!
Think it's a good idea to wait a little.
Old 5th September 2018
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I'll just leave this here....
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Old 5th September 2018
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Universal Audio Apollo X8 Thunderbolt 3 Audio Interface


Apollo x8: the god of music and the studio
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From the tube warmth of Pultec EQs on guitars to the musical tube limiting of the LA-2A on vocals, or the pump of a genuine 1176 or Fairchild 670 tube compressor on drums, your recordings will take a giant leap forward with a rich, three-dimensional analog sound that UAD plug-ins provide.

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Perfect for musicians, engineers, producers, and sound designers, Apollo x8 features four Unison-enabled mic preamps, letting you track through exacting mic preamp emulations from Neve, API, Manley, SSL, and Universal Audio.** A Universal Audio exclusive, Unison technology nails the tone of these sought-after tube and solid state mic pres — including their input impedance, gain stage “sweet spots,” and the component-level circuit behaviors of the original hardware.

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Of course, a hallmark feature of Apollo is its Realtime UAD Processing, letting you run the full library of UAD plug-ins with near-zero latency. Apollo x8 includes the Realtime Analog Classics Plus plug-in bundle, so you can record and mix with the world’s only authentic Teletronix LA-2A, 1176LN, and Fairchild compressors, the Unison-enabled UA 610-B Tube Preamp & EQ, and guitar and bass amps from Marshall and Ampeg.

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With comprehensive surround monitoring support for formats up to 7.1, Apollo x8 is a boon for engineers and producers working on audio and music for video games, television, and the web. In addition, Apollo x8 offers selectable +24 dBu operation for out-of-the-box compatibility with professional mixing consoles and other high-end pro audio equipment.

Build a Networked Studio System Over Thunderbolt

Apollo x8 offers 18 x 24 simultaneous inputs/outputs (8 x 8 analog I/O) and two built-in Thunderbolt 3 ports, which are backwards-compatible with Thunderbolt 1 and 2 Macs via adapter (sold separately). This allows users of any Thunderbolt-equipped Apollo Twin or Apollo rackmount audio interfaces to easily combine up to four Apollos and six total UAD-2 devices — adding fast, high-bandwidth I/O and DSP as your studio grows.

Features
Experience elite-class A/D and D/A conversion nearing the widest dynamic range and lowest signal to noise available — at any price
Track and mix with powerful HEXA Core processing, featuring 6 UAD DSP chips for running more award-winning UAD Powered Plug-Ins in real time
Record with near-zero latency through preamp emulations from Neve,API, Manley, Fender, and more using Unison™ technology*
Easily connect to pro-level studio gear with switchable +24 / +20 dBu headroom settings
Work in surround formats up to 7.1*, complete with speaker calibration and fold-down
18 x 24 Thunderbolt 3 audio interface with class-leading 24-bit/192 KHz conversion
Realtime UAD HEXA Core Processing for tracking through UAD plug-ins at near-zero latency, regardless of audio buffer size
Record through 4 Unison-enabled mic/line preamps — giving you fully authentic preamp emulations from Neve,API, Manley, SSL, and more**
Surround monitor controller up to 7.1 format*
Includes “Realtime Analog Classics Plus” UAD plug-in bundle featuring UA 610-B Tube Preamp; Legacy Pultec EQ, LA-2A, and 1176 compressors; Marshall Plexi Classic; Ampeg SVT-VR Classic, and more
UAD HEXA Core processing onboard for additional mixing horsepower for Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase, Ableton, and other major DAWs
Combine up to 4 Thunderbolt-equipped Apollos and 6 total UAD devices; backward-compatible with Thunderbolt 1 and 2 via optional adapter
Selectable +24 dBu operation for easy compatibility with professional mixing consoles and tape machines
Convenient front panel monitoring functions including Alt Speakers, Talkback mic, and assignable Dim or Mono
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Old 5th September 2018
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Nice looking and specced interfaces.

Two extra chips though? 50% might sound impressive, but 50% increase of not that much is just 1.5x not that much.
That's my polite way of saying "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????".

A 100% increase is not even sufficient in this day and age, really.
It's been so long since those chips were refreshed, it's time for 400%.
50%? Chips please...

I'm sure they're gonna sound good and make some users very happy though.
Too bad, this just proves my point they are in dire need of a change, processing wise.
It's weird, you'd think those old chips would be so inexpensive by now, they could easily afford to put 32 of them in their flagship interface without necessarily having to raise the price.
They're either being super stubborn or something else is wrong.
Maybe they just can't fit more than 6 chips inside those interfaces?
Or maybe they're gonna keep on using the same old ships for on the way in and will set the plugins free to run natively on mixdown. That would still not rid them of their plugin size cap though...

Anyway, moving on, nothing to see here for me.
I'll leave you to lust over pretty new interfaces.

I earnestly hope they will serve you prospective buyers extremely well!

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Old 5th September 2018
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Although a lot of you made valid points guys, my money is on a subscription plan. A lot of companies are on this path and marketingly speaking it needs more than a regular 9 to 10 update hence the X numeral...

I sincerely hope I'm wrong
Old 5th September 2018
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I wonder how the new converters and dynamic range compare to the Antelope Interfaces...
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new HEXA Core processing, with six DSP chips and 50% more UAD plug-in processing power than previous Apollos.
Does this mean the new HEXA Core processing are just 6 UAD SHARC processors with a better utilization of the processors?
Old 5th September 2018
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Does this mean the new HEXA Core processing are just 6 UAD SHARC processors with a better utilization of the processors?
I think it means it's exactly the same chips with no optimisation whatsoever.

The 50% increase is simply due to there being six chips in the new interface as opposed to four in the previous interface.

So, they make it SOUND like something new, but it really isn't.
Well, I don't think they've ever done a hexa before, so I guess it is new.
It's just, two chips less than their ageing flagship the octo.
I'm guessing 8 chips just won't fit in the Apollo interface, otherwise this would be an extremely bizarre move to make.
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I think it means it's exactly the same chips with no optimisation whatsoever.

The 50% increase is simply due to there being six chips in the new interface as opposed to four in the previous interface.

So, they make it SOUND like something new, but it really isn't.
Well, I don't think they've ever done a hexa before, so I guess it is new.
It's just, two chips less than their ageing flagship the octo.
I'm guessing 8 chips just won't fit in the Apollo interface, otherwise this would be an extremely bizarre move to make.
That was my first impression while reading the text above. I hope that at least a better utilization of the cores can be expected by a 10.x software update (also for existing UAD processors). Otherwise it would really be a bummer. Let's see what else is coming.
Old 5th September 2018
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I guess the $64/- Q is -

What’s the deal with ‘hexa’ processing.. if it’s simply a 6 core Apollo (you have got to be kidding me run 4 more instances of the ssl channel strip?)

New updated converter is not interesting in the slightest.. and thunderbolt 3 ?

I hope their is considerably more legs to this hype than what has been released so far

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Old 5th September 2018
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I guess the $64/- Q is -

What’s the deal with ‘hexa’ processing

New updated converter is not interesting in the slightest as the conversion was never great on Apollo’s (just my take on them tho)
I also think new converters are unnecessary. But not because they are bad, but because they are already at an excellent level. In other words, the average UAD customer (as well as potential customer) has so many needs (retina update, plug-in selection, lower latencies, native options, etc.) that the converter quality is probably the least important factor for a new purchase.
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I also think new converters are unnecessary. But not because they are bad, but because they are already at an excellent level. In other words, the average UAD customer (as well as potential customer) has so many needs (retina update, plug-in selection, lower latencies, native options, etc.) that the converter quality is probably the least important factor for a new purchase.
I have to disagree on this, I found the AD to be not that great the DA to be IMO poor and the HP's to be very poor.
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