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MOTOWN STRINGS FOR KONTAKT By Past To Future
Old 4th August 2020
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Just finished this song with your MOTOWN STRINGS!



Thx for all these nice instruments.
My favourits are JJ Bass, Rhodes and the Acoustic Strummer is unbelievable!
Love it!
Old 5th August 2020
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LOVE this company and BUY loads of their stuff....

Fleetwood Drums are SUPERB!

STILL hoping and WAITING for them to do a really good PROPER Roots Reggae Kit... C'MON!!!!!!

Please?


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Ok, we will do it. Any specific suggestions or demo references?
Old 5th August 2020
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Ok, we will do it. Any specific suggestions or demo references?
It’s time for Harder They Come Drums.
Old 5th August 2020
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It’s time for Harder They Come Drums.
Will check it out!
Old 6th August 2020
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Originally Posted by Squeegee 303 View Post
These are amazing.
Volm, if you could achieve the amazingly unique sound of the strings on late-sixties James Bond soundtracks (specifically You Only Live Twice), I would be forever in your debt. I have wished for a sample library with that sound ever since the existence of sample libraries.
I am thinking I might be able to get close by layering your Motown strings a few times, slightly detuned. I will give it a shot.

There’s nothing unique about the sound of
the strings in the James Bond movie. You
are referring to string ARRANGEMENTS here.
And the string arrangements for the Bond films
are great.

No VST is going to give you an instant string
arrangement. Arranging for strings involves
assigning single lines to the individual players
in each section..the basses play a specific part or
parts, the cellos play lines that are different from
what the basses, violas, and violins play, the
violas play their own unique parts, the violins
play their independent parts. It is
impossible to play a string arrangement
with two hands. You start with the parts for the
basses, record that as audio, then choose a
cello section sound, write and record a part for the
cellos, then do the same for the violas and
the violins, and so on and so forth.

Maybe you’re aware of string arrangements,
maybe not. I’m always amazed at people who
wonder why they play a chord with a string patch
and don’t hear “an orchestra”. It just sounds
like an organ because they are keyboard
players playing something like it was an organ.

So, as good as this product sounds, I can’t
call it Motown Strings because there is no such
thing as Motown String sounds. There are
Motown string ARRANGEMENTS. You can use
any sampled string sounds for Motown string
arrangements. But the stringed instruments
themselves? They’re just dumb pieces of wood.
They don’t “know” whether they are being
used in a Motown style song. They just go
on being dumb pieces of wood.
Old 6th August 2020
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Originally Posted by Dave Polich View Post
There’s nothing unique about the sound of
the strings in the James Bond movie. You
are referring to string ARRANGEMENTS here.
And the string arrangements for the Bond films
are great.

No VST is going to give you an instant string
arrangement. Arranging for strings involves
assigning single lines to the individual players
in each section..the basses play a specific part or
parts, the cellos play lines that are different from
what the basses, violas, and violins play, the
violas play their own unique parts, the violins
play their independent parts. It is
impossible to play a string arrangement
with two hands. You start with the parts for the
basses, record that as audio, then choose a
cello section sound, write and record a part for the
cellos, then do the same for the violas and
the violins, and so on and so forth.

Maybe you’re aware of string arrangements,
maybe not. I’m always amazed at people who
wonder why they play a chord with a string patch
and don’t hear “an orchestra”. It just sounds
like an organ because they are keyboard
players playing something like it was an organ.

So, as good as this product sounds, I can’t
call it Motown Strings because there is no such
thing as Motown String sounds. There are
Motown string ARRANGEMENTS. You can use
any sampled string sounds for Motown string
arrangements. But the stringed instruments
themselves? They’re just dumb pieces of wood.
They don’t “know” whether they are being
used in a Motown style song. They just go
on being dumb pieces of wood.
Yes. I know what a string arrangement is (I studied music theory in college). I am not talking about the arrangement. I am talking about the sonic qualities of this 1967-era recording by John Barry's recording engineer, John Richards. In addition, I believe that they used a dry scoring stage in those recordings, rather than the typical concert hall that orchestras are most often recorded in. It has a huge impact on the sound. I don't expect a sample to write arrangements for me. I'm not sure why you are assuming that I do.
Old 6th August 2020
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I'm not sure why you are assuming that I do.
because he's a condescending old hag, that's why.

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There’s nothing unique about the sound of
the strings in the James Bond movie.
if you can't tell the difference between just any string sample library and strings in a James Bond movie, your appointment to otorhinolaryngologist is a few years late. go clean out your ears before you make any judgements about any sound.

the case of senility, dementia and a hearing loss might also be the cause. check with your physician.
Old 6th August 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Polich View Post
There’s nothing unique about the sound of
the strings in the James Bond movie. You
are referring to string ARRANGEMENTS here.
And the string arrangements for the Bond films
are great.

No VST is going to give you an instant string
arrangement. Arranging for strings involves
assigning single lines to the individual players
in each section..the basses play a specific part or
parts, the cellos play lines that are different from
what the basses, violas, and violins play, the
violas play their own unique parts, the violins
play their independent parts. It is
impossible to play a string arrangement
with two hands. You start with the parts for the
basses, record that as audio, then choose a
cello section sound, write and record a part for the
cellos, then do the same for the violas and
the violins, and so on and so forth.

Maybe you’re aware of string arrangements,
maybe not. I’m always amazed at people who
wonder why they play a chord with a string patch
and don’t hear “an orchestra”. It just sounds
like an organ because they are keyboard
players playing something like it was an organ.

So, as good as this product sounds, I can’t
call it Motown Strings because there is no such
thing as Motown String sounds. There are
Motown string ARRANGEMENTS. You can use
any sampled string sounds for Motown string
arrangements. But the stringed instruments
themselves? They’re just dumb pieces of wood.
They don’t “know” whether they are being
used in a Motown style song. They just go
on being dumb pieces of wood.
The way (Room, mics, mic placement, mic pres, recording format, players...) you record them makes the sound also the arrangement but he was talking specifically about the sound here.
Cheers
Old 6th August 2020
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The way (Room, mics, mic placement, mic pres, recording format, players...) you record them makes the sound also the arrangement but he was talking specifically about the sound here.
Cheers

Yes I get that from his reply as well. From his post I had no way of knowing whether he understood the concept of string arrangements or not. I've met a lot of people who don't, hence my posts.

And in answer to the question of getting strings that sound like the James Bond film strings.. pretty sure Motown Strings isn't gonna get you there.
Old 6th August 2020
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because he's a condescending old hag, that's why.



if you can't tell the difference between just any string sample library and strings in a James Bond movie, your appointment to otorhinolaryngologist is a few years late. go clean out your ears before you make any judgements about any sound.

the case of senility, dementia and a hearing loss might also be the cause. check with your physician.
Nice try. Typical GS response - attack someone personally. Speaks volumes about you.
Old 6th August 2020
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Yes I get that from his reply as well. From his post I had no way of knowing whether he understood the concept of string arrangements or not. I've met a lot of people who don't, hence my posts.

And in answer to the question of getting strings that sound like the James Bond film strings.. pretty sure Motown Strings isn't gonna get you there.
Maybe 007 individual violin players is the key to get that sound
Old 6th August 2020
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Maybe 007 individual violin players is the key to get that sound


I like it.

In looking at the Spitfire Audio’s similarly-themed Bernard Hermann Composer Toolkit, it looks like it would be a serious undertaking to get the John Barry soundtrack strings sound. And Spitfire didn’t even use vintage gear when making that library.
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/a...poser-toolkit/

But if anyone could do it with authenticity, I think PTF can.
Old 8th August 2020
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Excited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzqzJfmFnZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbCrYBWh62Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtp64hQocI


Hope this helps.... Feel free to get in touch etc...

OneLove

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Old 8th August 2020
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Originally Posted by PastToFuture View Post
Ok, we will do it. Any specific suggestions or demo references?
Excited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzqzJfmFnZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbCrYBWh62Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtp64hQocI


Hope this helps.... Feel free to get in touch etc...

OneLove

Zz.
Old 8th August 2020
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These Stuff sounds really cool man
Old 9th August 2020
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Question - why do instrument plugins like this always seem to require the “full” version of Kontakt? I’ve been put off buying things because of this requirement. It costs $399 just to use this $15 plugin. Whyyy?
Old 9th August 2020
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Question - why do instrument plugins like this always seem to require the “full” version of Kontakt? I’ve been put off buying things because of this requirement. It costs $399 just to use this $15 plugin. Whyyy?
That’s NI’s doing.
Old 9th August 2020
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Bought.
Old 9th August 2020
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Question - why do instrument plugins like this always seem to require the “full” version of Kontakt? I’ve been put off buying things because of this requirement. It costs $399 just to use this $15 plugin. Whyyy?
I think it's because devs have to pay a licensing fee to NI if they offer a version that's compatible with NI free Kontakt Player.

That's why you never see anybody offering Kontakt instruments that are compatible with the free player for cheap.

And that's why you see many libraries that are compatible with the full version of Kontakt for much cheaper prices.

The full version of Kontakt is worth it, just because of the ability to be able to buy a ton of libraries for it that are reasonably priced.

And you don't have to pay $399 for it, if you get it on sale. NI has 50% off sales from time to time and they have upgrade prices that are even better than that.
Old 10th August 2020
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Bought.
Thank you! Enjoy!
Old 10th August 2020
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I think it's because devs have to pay a licensing fee to NI if they offer a version that's compatible with NI free Kontakt Player.
How much it costs devs to license their Kontakt library for Kontakt Player is a closely-guarded secret. However, about 10 years ago Joey Sturgis was looking at licensing his original drum samples to work with Player and revealed that it would cost $12 for a minimum commit of 1,000, so $12,000 up-front. (Needless-to-say, he didn't license his library).

Basically, NI either get their money from licenses (because Player is free) or from full Kontakt. Full Kontakt is worth it though, if you can pick it up in a sale. Expect to pay around £100/$120 during Black Friday (like I did) if you have a library that you can cross-grade (like the free Sennheiser drums library).
Old 10th August 2020
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How much it costs devs to license their Kontakt library for Kontakt Player is a closely-guarded secret. However, about 10 years ago Joey Sturgis was looking at licensing his original drum samples to work with Player and revealed that it would cost $12 for a minimum commit of 1,000, so $12,000 up-front. (Needless-to-say, he didn't license his library).

Basically, NI either get their money from licenses (because Player is free) or from full Kontakt. Full Kontakt is worth it though, if you can pick it up in a sale. Expect to pay around £100/$120 during Black Friday (like I did) if you have a library that you can cross-grade (like the free Sennheiser drums library).
It is way too much
Old 10th August 2020
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It is way too much
I’d happily pay the $12 on top.
Old 10th August 2020
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It is way too much
Is there not another way to let people use your instruments other than Kontakt? They have the market completely cornered?
Old 10th August 2020
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I’d happily pay the $12 on top.
The problem is the upfront cost to the dev, which is quite a considerable outlay!

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Is there not another way to let people use your instruments other than Kontakt? They have the market completely cornered?
P2F provide the waves too so you can really use any sample player you want too. But yes, Kontakt pretty much owns the sample instrument market.
Old 10th August 2020
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Sell two versions? Two prices.. surcharge so to speak..

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Old 10th August 2020
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Sell two versions? Two prices.. surcharge so to speak..

Zz.
Like cprompt stated, too much upfront cost.

If I made sampler instruments, I wouldn't offer a player version either.

Anybody serious about sampler instruments owns and uses the full kontakt I would think. I would ignore the player market.
Old 10th August 2020
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The problem is the upfront cost to the dev, which is quite a considerable outlay!


P2F provide the waves too so you can really use any sample player you want too. But yes, Kontakt pretty much owns the sample instrument market.
We actually do this with our drums. I don’t know if that makes any sense with other instruments because of the scripting. But yeah if people really want this we would do it.
Old 10th August 2020
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We actually do this with our drums. I don’t know if that makes any sense with other instruments because of the scripting. But yeah if people really want this we would do it.
Or you could provide a Soundfont version, in addition to the Kontakt version. I believe that most sample player plugins are able to open Soundfonts. EXS-24 libraries are also compatible with quite a few samplers, I believe.
Old 11th August 2020
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I’d happily pay the $12 on top.
Thank you but everybody is not like you
Cheers
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